Storck Absolutist

Berk Bonebonce

Have to admit it, that's the first ever pro bike I have seen with a proper in-line seatpost. I say 'proper' because there are now bikes with wide in-line seatposts, but which incorporate layback because of their sheer width.

Okay, I am saving my money for my £100 donation tothe Prince of Wales hospice.

(I bet it took you bloody hours to find that picture. There's at least one pro then who doesn't know how to set up his bike properly. All the others must have it wrong).

tx14

Berk Bonebonce wrote:

Have to admit it, that's the first ever pro bike I have seen with a proper in-line seatpost. I say 'proper' because there are now bikes with wide in-line seatposts, but which incorporate layback because of their sheer width.

Okay, I am saving my money for my £100 donation tothe Prince of Wales hospice.

(I bet it took you bloody hours to find that picture. There's at least one pro then who doesn't know how to set up his bike properly. All the others must have it wrong).

just what's wrong about it? saddles are made with extra rail length to allow adjustments, why must the seatclamp be at the center of the rails?

lifecyclist2010

Kim10 that probably was me around the Suffolk "hills" lol and i think...(dont quote me) i have the only Storck Absolutist in Suffolk...currently but i no of a few in essex etc.

orbeaorca there may be a SLIGHT connection to the shop where the bikes are sold as it is a damn good bike shop lol

c0ugers i did have the stickers made to match the TUNE hubs and bike...but the wheels were a gift from my boss...what can i say best boss in the world

Berk Bonebonce i think there are enough witness's to hold you to that

Berk Bonebonce

tx14 wrote:

[just what's wrong about it? saddles are made with extra rail length to allow adjustments, why must the seatclamp be at the center of the rails?

The mistake of some people is to set saddle position by using a guide off the internet that places your knee in the correct position in respect of the pedal axis. To quote the Peter White Cycles website:

Most fitting "systems" specify that some part of your knee be directly over the pedal axle at some alignment of the crank, usually with the pedal forward and the crank horizontal. This is pure nonsense.

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.htm

You would expect a saddle on a time trial bike to be located quite far forward. This is important for power transfer and aerodynamics. But not so with a road bike, where comfort and pedalling action when climbing in the saddle are important considerations.

Have a look at pretty much any pro bike there is ... except Gustav Larssons Spesh! I bet he wouldn't ordanarily use an in-line seatpost. Tour of Flanders is, after all, a pretty flat race. Perhaps he was hoping to launch an early break and time trial to the finish!?

tx14

Berk Bonebonce wrote:

tx14 wrote:

[just what's wrong about it? saddles are made with extra rail length to allow adjustments, why must the seatclamp be at the center of the rails?

The mistake of some people is to set saddle position by using a guide off the internet that places your knee in the correct position in respect of the pedal axis. To quote the Peter White Cycles website:

Most fitting "systems" specify that some part of your knee be directly over the pedal axle at some alignment of the crank, usually with the pedal forward and the crank horizontal. This is pure nonsense.

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.htm

You would expect a saddle on a time trial bike to be located quite far forward. This is important for power transfer and aerodynamics. But not so with a road bike, where comfort and pedalling action when climbing in the saddle are important considerations.

Have a look at pretty much any pro bike there is ... except Gustav Larssons Spesh! I bet he wouldn't ordanarily use an in-line seatpost. Tour of Flanders is, after all, a pretty flat race. Perhaps he was hoping to launch an early break and time trial to the finish!?

and with no picture of his riding position how do you know he's got it wrong?

Monkeypump

Berk Bonebonce wrote:

tx14 wrote:

[just what's wrong about it? saddles are made with extra rail length to allow adjustments, why must the seatclamp be at the center of the rails?

The mistake of some people is to set saddle position by using a guide off the internet that places your knee in the correct position in respect of the pedal axis. To quote the Peter White Cycles website:

Most fitting "systems" specify that some part of your knee be directly over the pedal axle at some alignment of the crank, usually with the pedal forward and the crank horizontal. This is pure nonsense.

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.htm

You would expect a saddle on a time trial bike to be located quite far forward. This is important for power transfer and aerodynamics. But not so with a road bike, where comfort and pedalling action when climbing in the saddle are important considerations.

Have a look at pretty much any pro bike there is ... except Gustav Larssons Spesh! I bet he wouldn't ordanarily use an in-line seatpost. Tour of Flanders is, after all, a pretty flat race. Perhaps he was hoping to launch an early break and time trial to the finish!?

Is anyone else tired of this waffle?

BBb - if your advice is truly well-intentioned, please make more effort to make is sound that way, rather than continue with the current "I know better" tone.

Oh, and pay up.

rolf_f

lifecyclist2010 wrote:

Berk Bonebonce i think there are enough witness's to hold you to that

Set up a JustGiving page for him - only takes a moment. Then we can all see when he coughs up (me, I wouldn't even dare make such a suggestion about finding a current pro cyclist who rides a steel frame.....)

As for the inline - surely also depends on the seatpost angle? A smaller seatpost angle will put the saddle slightly further back. Then there is the geometry of the rider. Possibly if you had a slightly short femur you might want a largely normal geometry but without the layback. People always assume that sportive geometry bikes give a more upright riding position - but they only do that if you have normal geometry yourself. A short torso (like mine) puts you in a normal racy position.

Ben6899

Rolf F wrote:

As for the inline - surely also depends on the seatpost angle? A smaller seatpost angle will put the saddle slightly further back. Then there is the geometry of the rider. Possibly if you had a slightly short femur you might want a largely normal geometry but without the layback. People always assume that sportive geometry bikes give a more upright riding position - but they only do that if you have normal geometry yourself. A short torso (like mine) puts you in a normal racy position.

What Rolf said.

dawebbo

Great looking bike and nicely finished.

Berk Bonebonce

Monkeypump wrote:

BBb - if your advice is truly well-intentioned, please make more effort to make is sound that way, rather than continue with the current "I know better" tone. .

Maybe I do know better than most. I had personal involvement in the setting up of the bike that Peter Van Pettegem won the Tour of Flanders on.

Ben6899

Kudos to you mate, but you would do well to heed Monkeypump's advice. And I'm saying that with best intentions.

Anonymous

Berk Bonebonce wrote:

Monkeypump wrote:

BBb - if your advice is truly well-intentioned, please make more effort to make is sound that way, rather than continue with the current "I know better" tone. .

Maybe I do know better than most. I had personal involvement in the setting up of the bike that Peter Van Pettegem won the Tour of Flanders on.

Really!?

emx

Berk Bonebonce wrote:

Maybe I do know better than most. I had personal involvement in the setting up of the bike that Peter Van Pettegem won the Tour of Flanders on.

you mean he told you the measurements he wanted, and you twisted the spanners..?

I met Bernard Hinault once.....so whatever I say must be correct.

maxlite

Nice bike and great saddle position :roll:

MaxwellBygraves

I once personally saw Eddy Merckx on TV. Obey me.

rake

nice to see pleanty of spokes in the wheel. 36? i bet theyre quite robust. what spokes are they?

lifecyclist2010

they are 28 hole TUNE hubs mig/mag combo with Sapim CX ray on DT Swiss RR415 very comfortable wheelset, stiff, climb well, for a shallow section wheel they also seem to maintain speed well on the flat too!

CrackFox

That is one very sexy machine.

wicked

Nice bike OP, sorry your thread got ruined by some know it all!. I like Storck's, they look like they will age well and continue to look classy.

Berk Bonebonce

I've still got the Van Petegem frame drawing. Some might recall that he rode to his Flander's win on an 853 frame.

My guess would be that Larsson and possibly one or two others have for the flat races in Northern Europe based their road position on their time trial position, perhaps realizing that a lot of racing is spent in the saddle and any climbing is mostly done out of the saddle.

I've yet to come across someone with a short enough femur to not need a zero layback seatpost. How far a cyclist positions his/her saddle behind the BB axle is, in the context of general road riding, down to personal preference. Not far enough behind the BB axle and climbing in the saddle will be a bind - okay if you only ride the flat.

Anonymous

lifecyclist2010 wrote:

they are 28 hole TUNE hubs mig/mag combo with Sapim CX ray on DT Swiss RR415 very comfortable wheelset, stiff, climb well, for a shallow section wheel they also seem to maintain speed well on the flat too!

Sounds like the ideal build to me

Berk Bonebonce

NapoleonD wrote:

Berk Bonebonce wrote:

Monkeypump wrote:

BBb - if your advice is truly well-intentioned, please make more effort to make is sound that way, rather than continue with the current "I know better" tone. .

Maybe I do know better than most. I had personal involvement in the setting up of the bike that Peter Van Pettegem won the Tour of Flanders on.

Really!?

Anyone who thinks that an attempt to highlight the questionable set up of a bike is somehow not well intentioned is perhaps misguided. I often which that when I was racing on a schoolboy licence older and more experienced cyclists would have been more forthcoming with advice.

I must confess, NapoleonD, to feeling a little sorry for anyone who occupies their time with making so many purile and unhelpful contributions to a forum. It belies a deep immaturity. I mean, you have even got your own little library of purile pictures and video clips.

rolf_f

Berk Bonebonce wrote:

Anyone who thinks that an attempt to highlight the questionable set up of a bike is somehow not well intentioned is perhaps misguided. ]

Berk Bonebonce wrote:

Your saddle is too far forward. What you got there is a position suitable for a time trial bike, and not a road machine. Have you not noticed this? Have you not ridden uphill in the saddle?

Do you genuinely believe that the above quote sounds well intentioned rather than patronising?

You say that the setup is questionable yet you don't question it; you assume that it is wrong. If you wanted to highlight a questionable set up, maybe you should have questioned it - eg asked the OP why the bike was setup like that.

Anonymous

Berk Bonebonce wrote:

NapoleonD wrote:

Berk Bonebonce wrote:

Monkeypump wrote:

BBb - if your advice is truly well-intentioned, please make more effort to make is sound that way, rather than continue with the current "I know better" tone. .

Maybe I do know better than most. I had personal involvement in the setting up of the bike that Peter Van Pettegem won the Tour of Flanders on.

Really!?

Anyone who thinks that an attempt to highlight the questionable set up of a bike is somehow not well intentioned is perhaps misguided. I often which that when I was racing on a schoolboy licence older and more experienced cyclists would have been more forthcoming with advice.

I must confess, NapoleonD, to feeling a little sorry for anyone who occupies their time with making so many purile and unhelpful contributions to a forum. It belies a deep immaturity. I mean, you have even got your own little library of purile pictures and video clips.

Anonymous

At least when I give advice it's helpful and not put across in a patronising or trolling manner...

As for immaturity, yep, damn right I am, it's my little escape from the pressures of work.