Ragley Full Suspension Prototype

Shotsaway
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edited March 2011 in MTB general
Interesting............

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  • NORTHERNSHAGGY
    NORTHERNSHAGGY Posts: 316
    very interesting................
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    Unless there's another linkage hiding behind the chainset, It may possibly be the least interesting "new" bike in a while.
    But no doubt, countless adoring fans will be fawning over this as well.
  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    What leads you to believe that it's a Ragley prototye? :lol:

    Brant talks about dual links in the website so I'm thinking maybe that's what's hidden behind the cranks... But it does look pretty dull doesn't it.
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  • Raymondavalon
    Raymondavalon Posts: 5,346
    *Thinks*... Hmm, Giant Trace clone?
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  • Anonymous
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    yeehaamcgee wrote:
    Unless there's another linkage hiding behind the chainset, It may possibly be the least interesting "new" bike in a while.
    But no doubt, countless adoring fans will be fawning over this as well.

    It's supposed to have some sort of floating bottom linkage or something.
  • peter413
    peter413 Posts: 5,120
    Raymondavalon wrote:
    *Thinks*... Hmm, Giant Trace clone?

    I knew it looked familiar :lol:
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  • thel33ter
    thel33ter Posts: 2,684
    Raymondavalon wrote:
    *Thinks*... Hmm, Giant Trace clone?

    Looks a lot like the sus design that Mondraker use too.


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  • Raymondavalon
    Raymondavalon Posts: 5,346
    thel33ter wrote:
    Raymondavalon wrote:
    *Thinks*... Hmm, Giant Trace clone?

    Looks a lot like the sus design that Mondraker use too.

    It's not just the rear suspension design, it's also the curvature within the top tube of the frame that reminds me of the Giant Trance design...
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    Hmm, if there is another linkage there, then it has the potential to offer something interesting. Especially if it's going to be bargain bucket cheap.[/img]
  • GHill
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    yeehaamcgee wrote:
    Hmm, if there is another linkage there, then it has the potential to offer something interesting. Especially if it's going to be bargain bucket cheap.

    It's a dual link with fully floating shock, so yes, there's another linkage there.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    Fully gloating shock :lol:
    Daftest mtbing term ever!
    So, essentially it's the same setup as a Santa Cruz Vpp, or a Whyte quad link. That is great news, since small changes to the linkages can result in very significant changes to the suspension behaviour, and may offer a truly unique solution.
  • joshtp
    joshtp Posts: 3,966
    hmmm, similar to trek... could be good... esp if it's priced as well as brant's other offerings...


    it's hardly gonna be bad with Brant R at the design table... he is one of the greats.
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  • GHill
    GHill Posts: 2,402
    yeehaamcgee wrote:
    So, essentially it's the same setup as a Santa Cruz Vpp, or a Whyte quad link.

    More like Giant Maestro or DW Link.
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    when will bike makers drop the standard drivetrain side pictures as they are worthless.

    It harks back to the days when the Drivetrain made the bike rather than the frame.
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  • Anonymous
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    GHill wrote:
    yeehaamcgee wrote:
    So, essentially it's the same setup as a Santa Cruz Vpp, or a Whyte quad link.

    More like Giant Maestro or DW Link.
    Same configuration. (can't remember the maestro though, that might differ slightly)
  • Thewaylander
    Thewaylander Posts: 8,594
    bout to say nothing like the Mondraker suspension which compresses the shock from both sides.

    Wait and see i guess.
  • nicklouse
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    Ragley_FS_Prototype_001_-_shed.jpg
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  • Anonymous
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    Thewaylander wrote:
    bout to say nothing like the Mondraker suspension which compresses the shock from both sides.

    Wait and see i guess.
    How the shock is compressed has little effect. The ratio, and compression curves etc do have an effect however.
  • nicklouse
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  • dan shard
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    joshtp wrote:
    hmmm, similar to trek... .

    Thats what I thought. Shock is connected at the top to the linkage and to the rear triangle at the bottom so that the whole thing moves as it compresses allowing longer travel
  • Anonymous
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    nicklouse wrote:
    Ragley_FS_Prototype_001_-_shed.jpg
    Lol, very vaguely from that image...

    IT WILL HAVE A HEADSET!!!!!
    IT WILL HAVE A CHAINSET AND A REAR SHOCK ABSORBER!!!!!
    IT WILL HAVE CHAINSTAYS AND SEATSTAYS!!!!!
    :lol:

    You're right, images from the other side of the bike would be much more helpful!
  • pastey_boy
    pastey_boy Posts: 2,083
    edited March 2011
    i hope brant pays giant some royalties, especially if the bottom shock mount doubles as the main pivot. looking at my trance the top linkage looks almost identical. the rear triangle is not too far removed either. hats off to the maestro :wink:
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  • dan shard
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    There doesnt appear to be a linkage at the rear drop-out either. Surely thats gonna result in a very unusual and awkward rear wheel travel??
  • pastey_boy
    pastey_boy Posts: 2,083
    dan shard wrote:
    There doesnt appear to be a linkage at the rear drop-out either. Surely thats gonna result in a very unusual and awkward rear wheel travel??
    it doesnt need them its a floating rear triangle ala vpp or maestro or pace and so on.
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  • Thewaylander
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    yeehaamcgee wrote:
    Thewaylander wrote:
    bout to say nothing like the Mondraker suspension which compresses the shock from both sides.

    Wait and see i guess.
    How the shock is compressed has little effect. The ratio, and compression curves etc do have an effect however.

    indeed, but this changes the angle of the shock so it does have an effect :P But i'm not gonna draw a forces diagram at work, but the difference from this is minimal and the other things you mention have a larger effect.
  • Anonymous
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    No, what I mean is that having the shock compressed by the linkages means nothing. You could achieve the same thing with one end fixed.
  • nicklouse
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    Thewaylander wrote:
    yeehaamcgee wrote:
    Thewaylander wrote:
    bout to say nothing like the Mondraker suspension which compresses the shock from both sides.

    Wait and see i guess.
    How the shock is compressed has little effect. The ratio, and compression curves etc do have an effect however.

    indeed, but this changes the angle of the shock so it does have an effect :P But i'm not gonna draw a forces diagram at work, but the difference from this is minimal and the other things you mention have a larger effect.

    Mmmm

    how the spring is compressed has a big effect. and How the damper is compressed has some effect but not as much as the valving.

    what is interesting is the designs that are going towards linear shock compression.
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  • Anonymous
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    What I mean is that given the same ratios of compression, and the same actuation curves, the fact that the shock is attatched to the frame at one end, or to linkages both ends makes no difference. It is these actuation curves that are important.
    Attatching it to the linkage both ends is a quite elegant way of tuning it though.
  • Thewaylander
    Thewaylander Posts: 8,594
    it is indeed, though gives more moving parts to break :p
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    Not really no. You have the same amount of parts as normal. It's just that one one (more) of the shock mounts is mobile.

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