Wrong Hope Pro2 evo hub order?

Crayfish

Help!

I've just received my £380-odd order for handbuilt wheels from Merlin - on Hope Pro2 evo hubs. I have a replacement 2011 Stumpjumper FSR frame, and looking on the Specialized website for the Technical Specifications when ordering the new wheels, I saw that the SJ comes standard with "QR" type hubs. So I ordered the QR option for the Hope hubs, on the Merlin custom wheels website.

Now looking at an original wheelset that would come with the SJ frame, it actually has a bolt that goes through the hub, (with a QR on it) but this bolt is only 10mm in diameter, not the 15mm or 20mm that is offered when ordering the Hope hubs. (Could it be that the 15mm and 20mm measurements when ordering a hub, don't refer to the bolt diametre?)

So it looks like I have had the wheels built on the wrong type of hubs - only suitable for QR skewers not a bolt-through system. But if I need a 10mm diameter bolt that goes through the hub, not the 15mm or 20mm hubs that Hope hubs come with, what do I need to change my order to?

Feeling pretty sick, as I'll have to wait another fortnight, pay the extra courier costs, and I guess Merlin are going to be p!ssed off with me as they will have to rebuild the wheels, so they will probably charge me extra as well. But I don't even know what I need. Does anyone have any advice please?


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nicklouse

yep your old wheels used a Qr axle rather than a Qr Skewer.

just get some new Qr skewers.

your wheels will fit.

Crayfish

nicklouse wrote:

yep your old wheels used a Qr axle rather than a Qr Skewer.

just get some new Qr skewers.

your wheels will fit.

But isn't the skewer system weaker than a bolt through?

I did check for this possibility, but there is a gap between the end of the "axle" and the outside of the frame (at the rear anyway).

nicklouse

not really and yes the hubs will be fine and are the same size.

stout axle or qr there is not that much in it.

for the rear you can order the 10mm through axel kit and convert the hub if you want to spend more cash.

like wise there is a 9mm kit for the front which you can get as well.

the cheaper option is some Qrs.

MountainMonster

Standard QR's should be more than strong enough.

Other than that side note, what Nick said.

Crayfish

MountainMonster wrote:

Standard QR's should be more than strong enough.

Other than that side note, what Nick said.

But there is a gap between the end of the axle part of the hub and the outside edge of the frame. I mean the hub axle doesn't protrude all the way through the drop-out. Doesn't look like it would be very secure.

The front doesn't sit securely in the forks either - are you sure if I get skewers the set up will be just as strong as if I had the bolt-through?

Thanks for the advice.
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ma9mwah

i imagine that you have the DTS 9mm RWS?



if so you can buy these to convert them

https://clee-cycles.co.uk/cc/catalog/pr ... 693kqupnc0

nicklouse

Crayfish wrote:

MountainMonster wrote:

Standard QR's should be more than strong enough.

Other than that side note, what Nick said.

But there is a gap between the end of the axle part of the hub and the outside edge of the frame. I mean the hub axle doesn't protrude all the way through the drop-out. Doesn't look like it would be very secure.

The front doesn't sit securely in the forks either - are you sure if I get skewers the set up will be just as strong as if I had the bolt-through?

Thanks for the advice.
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again no issue. that is totally normal and goes when the Qrs are tightened.

well skewers were/are the norm for most people.

but like I said there are kits you can buy to allow you to use the Stout axle Qrs.

Crayfish

ma9mwah wrote:

i imagine that you have the DTS 9mm RWS?



if so you can buy these to convert them

https://clee-cycles.co.uk/cc/catalog/pr ... 693kqupnc0

Great. Thanks. This is obviously a better option than sending the wheels back.

Do you know where to get the rear hub conversion kit from?

Thanks.

Crayfish

nicklouse wrote:

Crayfish wrote:

MountainMonster wrote:

Standard QR's should be more than strong enough.

Other than that side note, what Nick said.

But there is a gap between the end of the axle part of the hub and the outside edge of the frame. I mean the hub axle doesn't protrude all the way through the drop-out. Doesn't look like it would be very secure.

The front doesn't sit securely in the forks either - are you sure if I get skewers the set up will be just as strong as if I had the bolt-through?

Thanks for the advice.
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again no issue. that is totally normal and goes when the Qrs are tightened.

well skewers were/are the norm for most people.

but like I said there are kits you can buy to allow you to use the Stout axle Qrs.

OK. Sounds like this is what I need to do then. So skewers it is.

What are the strongest skewers to get?

Thanks.

nicklouse

just seen your picture.

Mmm I would get the 10mm through axle kit for it.
it is usable but ....



typical spesh to play silly buggers.

PS check that the rim is central

Crayfish

As an aside, please tell me how to post a picture!?

Centre line of the rim is about 6mm over to the drive side, but then it was the same with the original wheelset! Like you say - typical Spesh.

I've found a 10mm thru conversion for the Hope Pro2 and a different one for the Hope Pro2 Evo! - both on UK Bike Store (£7.47 difference in RRP! - odd?)

http://www.ukbikestore.co.uk/product/176/hub223/hope-pro-2-rear-10mm-thru-conversion-kit.html

http://www.ukbikestore.co.uk/product/176/hopepro2evokitr/hope-pro-2-evo-conversion-kit-rear.html

But can only find the one 9mm conversion for the Pro2 - not Evo - do you think it will do the same job?

nicklouse

I would be on the Phone to Hope in the morning. they are good on the phone.

see the how toos in the post your ride/the forum FAQs/classifieds for posting pictures.

paul20v

That picture looks pretty much how most drop outs i have owned and seen ,
the centre of the hub never goes right to the end of the drop out .

nicklouse

paul20v
but in this case most of the axle is supported by the replaceable drop out (black bit) not the frame (white).

Crayfish

Good point Nick.

Also, my tiny engineering brain tells me a thru axle has to be a bit stiffer and stronger, than a skewer which is unconstrained in parts (such as between the end of the drop out and the end of the hub).

Also, these two conversion kits (front and rear) on UK Bike Shop (links above) cost £31 (if I've got the correct ones), and a decent skewer set will cost about the same. So I reckon I may as well go for the thru axle conversion kits?

Are they easy to convert?

nicklouse

yep IIRC there are some vides on hopes webby.

paul20v

nicklouse wrote:

paul20v
but in this case most of the axle is supported by the replaceable drop out (black bit) not the frame (white).

Mine now " i just looked " is only say one third on the frame two thirds is on the replaceable drop out slightly more than in the picture but not alot .

nicklouse

is your replaceable drop out on the inside of the frame or the out side? I would not mind the issue above if the main contact was the frame not the drop out.

Crayfish

nicklouse wrote:

is your replaceable drop out on the inside of the frame or the out side? I would not mind the issue above if the main contact was the frame not the drop out.

No - you were right, the replaceable drop out is on the inside, so there is very little contact of the hub with the frame. Not good.

I will phone Hope today, and then most probably order the two thru axle conversions (standard Pro2 for the front (can't find an Evo, so presume it's the same conversion kit) and the Pro2 Evo kit for the rear) from UK Bike Store (as above).

Thanks for your help.

Chris5.5

Hi,

I am waiting for my Hope wheels to be delivered and also have a spesh with the bolt through skewers.

The front conversion kit is for the normal hope or the Evo, you simply replace the end caps.

The rear conversion for normal hope and the Evo is differant I believe. the normal one requires a new axle and the Evo just needs new end caps, that is one of the benefits of the Evo hub that you can use differant standards much easier.

Chris

ckc69

I think this is the same problem I had here:

http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/forums/vie ... highlight=

Solved with a conversion kit.

Crayfish

Glad to see I'm not the only one who didn't get my order right!

I wish they'd make it clearer, by saying QR skewers vs. QR bolt thru.

Anyway, I came right with the UK Bike Store products, just like Chris5.5 said, after checking with Hope on the phone first.

Pedal Head

That Spesh setup on the front is called a Skraxle & is / was Spesh's attempt to make a stiffer front end, not sure if it did but the one I had circa 2003 was prone to coming loose. Fit a decent skewer with your Hopes & you'll be fine.

Crayfish

Pedal Head wrote:

That Spesh setup on the front is called a Skraxle & is / was Spesh's attempt to make a stiffer front end, not sure if it did but the one I had circa 2003 was prone to coming loose. Fit a decent skewer with your Hopes & you'll be fine.

Too late - already ordered the conversion kits for the 9mm and 10mm DT Swiss (Spesh) thru axles. Check the photo - that's why I don't want a skewer - the rear hub axle would be resting on the replaceable (black) dropout on the inside of the frame if I had skewers - not connecting to the frame.

Additional point - when I phoned Hope, they said that my setup with the conversion kits will be identical to if I had ordered the thru-axle options from Merlin to start with.