I've just fallen in love with a bike!!??!!

Rick_huggins

Canyon Strive WOW :shock:
http://www.canyon.com/_en/mountainbikes/series/strive.html

thel33ter

They are very good looking,

Fantastic value for £2.9k too.

Anonymous

extremely low single pivot? no thanks.

DIESELDOG

I really can't quite put my finger on it but it just reminded me of the Spesh Myka FSR? The 2010 version to boot...

Love n hugs

DD

getonyourbike

that looks awesome, I'd love one. Brilliant spec too, with a reverb!

Northwind

I'd like a go on that, I'm not at the point of Yeehaa and just rejecting suspension designs based on pivot location out of hand but I'd kind of agree that the low pivot is going to bring issues with it. But it's a fantastic build kit.

I like that Canyon aren't sticking to one suspension platform across their range but that doesn't mean they're all good

supersonic

Well it will have less pedal kickback lol.

Crundi

Sorry to sound like a noob but whats the issue with a really low single pivot and whats 'pedal kick back'?

supersonic

This is a huge subject, but to boil it down revolves around the relationship between how the rear axle moves from the bottom bracket (thus increasing the effective chain length, which pulls the pedals backwards) and how this can can create an anti squat effect (a force that offsets the natural rear weight bias as we accelerate which compresses the suspension).

In a nutshell, more antisquat (and less pedal bob) equals more pedal kickback.

Anonymous

Surely that's a typo, sonic?
I did only wake up a few minutes ago though, could be sleep induced dyslexia on my part.

supersonic

Indeed it is, will teach me to get into sus dynamics after 6 pints ;-)

toasty

At a glance.. isn't it a 4 bar anyway? I know the shorter travel models are similar to Specialized 4 bar setups, but avoid the patent laws due to not selling directly in the US.

I'd give it a shot Currently eyeing up their shorter travel bikes (or hardtails) as a racey bike. The value is staggering, even if the ride sucked you could swift the frame quickly, stick something else on and still profit.

nicklouse

Toasty wrote:

At a glance.. isn't it a 4 bar anyway? I know the shorter travel models are similar to Specialized 4 bar setups, but avoid the patent laws due to not selling directly in the US.

nope single pivot with linkage actuated shock

toasty

Curses

We deliberately did without the "Horst Link" because a link in the chain stay automatically reduces the level of stiffness.

Stevo_666

Bit difficult to try them out as they are direct sales only. Will pedal bob be a real problem just because of the low single pivot set up?

Have to say they look great and the value for money is fantastic: that crankset alone is about £500.

nick1962

YT Industries make some pretty nifty direct sale bikes too especially these two models
http://www.yt-industries.com/shop/index ... t&info=162
http://www.yt-industries.com/shop/index ... t&info=154

supersonic

Stevo 666 wrote:

Bit difficult to try them out as they are direct sales only. Will pedal bob be a real problem just because of the low single pivot set up?

Have to say they look great and the value for money is fantastic: that crankset alone is about £500.

It is a problem to some...

You really have to try to see. Suspension on bikes has many sound theories, but the thing that always varies is the rider.

Anonymous

But in the case of a very low single pivot, pedal bob will be an immense problem for most, if not almost all riders, unless you dial so much low speed compression into the shock that you lose all suppleness in the system. (There's always interplay between high and low speed ranges on shocks, can't slow down one without affecting the other in some way)

Stevo_666

nick1962 wrote:

YT Industries make some pretty nifty direct sale bikes too especially these two models
http://www.yt-industries.com/shop/index ... t&info=162
http://www.yt-industries.com/shop/index ... t&info=154

Not seen those before - looks good VFM, thanks.

Stevo_666

supersonic wrote:

You really have to try to see.

And there's the rub - direct sales op based in Germany, so unless you have a mate who's bought one it's going to be a bit tricky swinging your leg over for a try out. Ho hum.

Crundi

yeehaamcgee wrote:

But in the case of a very low single pivot, pedal bob will be an immense problem for most, if not almost all riders, unless you dial so much low speed compression into the shock that you lose all suppleness in the system. (There's always interplay between high and low speed ranges on shocks, can't slow down one without affecting the other in some way)

The Canyon website bangs on about the characteristics of this bike being completely opposite to the issues you're raising with low pivot points...

They say...
"However, it's not just about the manufacturing processes involved in the production of the frame, but also the choice of the pivot rotation points. The kinematic is a significant part of this bike. This kinematic has specific and specialised design features. The frame does not sag while the bike is accelerating, it releases the full range of travel in appropriate situations, it has sufficient reserves to accommodate shocks and operates sensitively at the start of the range of travel.”

supersonic

Canyon are wrong, their claims are rubbish.

Anonymous

They are wrong, and talking crap. Same as the marketing guff from most manufacturers.