I've just fallen in love with a bike!!??!!

Rick_huggins
Rick_huggins Posts: 184
edited April 2011 in MTB general
Rockin': Specialized Rockhopper 2008
Rollin': Orange 5 Custom
http://www.bikeradar.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=17023937#17023937

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  • thel33ter
    thel33ter Posts: 2,684
    They are very good looking,

    Fantastic value for £2.9k too.
    And now you know, and knowing is half the battle
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    extremely low single pivot? no thanks.
  • DIESELDOG
    DIESELDOG Posts: 2,087
    I really can't quite put my finger on it but it just reminded me of the Spesh Myka FSR? The 2010 version to boot...

    Love n hugs

    DD
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  • getonyourbike
    getonyourbike Posts: 2,648
    that looks awesome, I'd love one. Brilliant spec too, with a reverb!
  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    I'd like a go on that, I'm not at the point of Yeehaa and just rejecting suspension designs based on pivot location out of hand but I'd kind of agree that the low pivot is going to bring issues with it. But it's a fantastic build kit.

    I like that Canyon aren't sticking to one suspension platform across their range but that doesn't mean they're all good ;)
    Uncompromising extremist
  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    Well it will have less pedal kickback lol.
  • Crundi
    Crundi Posts: 41
    Sorry to sound like a noob but whats the issue with a really low single pivot and whats 'pedal kick back'?
  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    edited March 2011
    This is a huge subject, but to boil it down revolves around the relationship between how the rear axle moves from the bottom bracket (thus increasing the effective chain length, which pulls the pedals backwards) and how this can can create an anti squat effect (a force that offsets the natural rear weight bias as we accelerate which compresses the suspension).

    In a nutshell, more antisquat (and less pedal bob) equals more pedal kickback.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    Surely that's a typo, sonic?
    I did only wake up a few minutes ago though, could be sleep induced dyslexia on my part.
  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    Indeed it is, will teach me to get into sus dynamics after 6 pints ;-)
  • toasty
    toasty Posts: 2,598
    edited March 2011
    At a glance.. isn't it a 4 bar anyway? I know the shorter travel models are similar to Specialized 4 bar setups, but avoid the patent laws due to not selling directly in the US.

    I'd give it a shot :) Currently eyeing up their shorter travel bikes (or hardtails) as a racey bike. The value is staggering, even if the ride sucked you could swift the frame quickly, stick something else on and still profit.
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    Toasty wrote:
    At a glance.. isn't it a 4 bar anyway? I know the shorter travel models are similar to Specialized 4 bar setups, but avoid the patent laws due to not selling directly in the US.

    nope single pivot with linkage actuated shock
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  • toasty
    toasty Posts: 2,598
    Curses
    We deliberately did without the "Horst Link" because a link in the chain stay automatically reduces the level of stiffness.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 59,879
    Bit difficult to try them out as they are direct sales only. Will pedal bob be a real problem just because of the low single pivot set up?

    Have to say they look great and the value for money is fantastic: that crankset alone is about £500.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • nick1962
    nick1962 Posts: 156
    YT Industries make some pretty nifty direct sale bikes too especially these two models
    http://www.yt-industries.com/shop/index ... t&info=162
    http://www.yt-industries.com/shop/index ... t&info=154
  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Bit difficult to try them out as they are direct sales only. Will pedal bob be a real problem just because of the low single pivot set up?

    Have to say they look great and the value for money is fantastic: that crankset alone is about £500.

    It is a problem to some... :wink:

    You really have to try to see. Suspension on bikes has many sound theories, but the thing that always varies is the rider.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    But in the case of a very low single pivot, pedal bob will be an immense problem for most, if not almost all riders, unless you dial so much low speed compression into the shock that you lose all suppleness in the system. (There's always interplay between high and low speed ranges on shocks, can't slow down one without affecting the other in some way)
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 59,879
    nick1962 wrote:
    YT Industries make some pretty nifty direct sale bikes too especially these two models
    http://www.yt-industries.com/shop/index ... t&info=162
    http://www.yt-industries.com/shop/index ... t&info=154
    Not seen those before - looks good VFM, thanks.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 59,879
    supersonic wrote:
    You really have to try to see.
    And there's the rub - direct sales op based in Germany, so unless you have a mate who's bought one it's going to be a bit tricky swinging your leg over for a try out. Ho hum.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Crundi
    Crundi Posts: 41
    But in the case of a very low single pivot, pedal bob will be an immense problem for most, if not almost all riders, unless you dial so much low speed compression into the shock that you lose all suppleness in the system. (There's always interplay between high and low speed ranges on shocks, can't slow down one without affecting the other in some way)

    The Canyon website bangs on about the characteristics of this bike being completely opposite to the issues you're raising with low pivot points...

    They say...
    "However, it's not just about the manufacturing processes involved in the production of the frame, but also the choice of the pivot rotation points. The kinematic is a significant part of this bike. This kinematic has specific and specialised design features. The frame does not sag while the bike is accelerating, it releases the full range of travel in appropriate situations, it has sufficient reserves to accommodate shocks and operates sensitively at the start of the range of travel.”
  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    Canyon are wrong, their claims are rubbish.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    They are wrong, and talking crap. Same as the marketing guff from most manufacturers.