60+ milers, what's in your bottle?

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    PeteMadoc wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Water.

    Keeps the weight off too.

    I weigh 64Kg

    I weigh 55kg.



    Ba-zing!
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  • pianoman
    pianoman Posts: 706
    Reflex "The Edge" here :D

    Though I don't use as much powder as they recommend - 1.5 scoops per 330ml? WTF! That would make it 2 scoops for 440ml and even when put in 750ml bottles it's too concentrated. So I put just one scoop in each of my two bottles, and it gets absorbed much better. And it's then closer to the Nuun tablets in terms of nutritional profile than dumping a whole sachet of High5/SIS in a little bottle.

    Like any sports drink it's best used when bombing it on hard efforts, not really necessary for "tootlers" if you ask me.
  • mr_poll
    mr_poll Posts: 1,547
    Not sure if its of interest to anyone - but bored in my lunch hour I wandered into Holland and Barratt - they are doing a penny sale promo which includes MaxiFuel - Viper Active 1Kg - Costs about £24 and a second one is 1p - thats 2kg for £24.

    I have no idea if its any good - I have never used it nor do I work for Holland and Barratt but thought I would flag it for anyone looking for a deal.
  • petemadoc
    petemadoc Posts: 2,331
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    PeteMadoc wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Water.

    Keeps the weight off too.

    I weigh 64Kg

    I weigh 55kg.



    Ba-zing!
    8)
  • springtide9
    springtide9 Posts: 1,731
    Personally I am more worried about 'bonking' than worry about weight gain on a long ride, but limit my intake such that I don't over fuel and get cramps etc

    I have yet to meet anyone who can eat enough on a 60 mile ride to actually gain weight!
    Simon
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    springtide9 wrote:
    Personally I am more worried about 'bonking' than worry about weight gain on a long ride, but limit my intake such that I don't over fuel and get cramps etc

    I have yet to meet anyone who can eat enough on a 60 mile ride to actually gain weight!

    I've yet to meet anyone people who can properly bonk on a 60 mile ride if they have a bit of food with them.

    Unless it's extreme conditions, I can't see good reason to have anything other than water in your bottle.

    If you're quite small, you really don't need that many calories - and the calaries that you do need are easily covered by food.

    It was only in the Pyrenees when I was having trouble eating the sheer quantity of food ncessary that I started with the sports drinks.
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  • petemadoc
    petemadoc Posts: 2,331
    Does anyone know what the pro's use?
  • springtide9
    springtide9 Posts: 1,731
    @Rick Chasey : You have just meet someone who does struggle with just water!
    It's fine talking about carb loading or having a decent breakfast, but carb loading doesn't suit everybody (and that is me); and as for having a decent breakfast to set you up for the day, this also isn't possible if you are jumping straight on the bike.
    I would assume for the OP 60 miles is a big deal and we are in the Beginners section. There is nothing wrong with taking on too many cals for the ride as long as it doesn't impact the ride. Once the OP is used to the distance, he'll be able to back off and see what works for him.
    PeteMadoc wrote:
    Does anyone know what the pro's use?

    Haven't found many websites on cycling specific information, but have always been pointed to the Triathlon information as a guide - obviously slightly different, but is after all moderate effort over a long time:

    http://www.sportsdietitians.org.uk/sduk ... -triathlon
    Simon
  • petemadoc
    petemadoc Posts: 2,331
    60 miles I can manage ok with a banana a breakfast bar thing and some fruit juice. It's the over 60 milers I'm interested in like the 100 miler I've signed up for in a couple of weeks.
  • springtide9
    springtide9 Posts: 1,731
    PeteMadoc wrote:
    60 miles I can manage ok with a banana a breakfast bar thing and some fruit juice. It's the over 60 milers I'm interested in like the 100 miler I've signed up for in a couple of weeks.

    I don't think t really matters how you take on the carbs, as that is a personal thing. Finding something that works for you - you can do on shorter rides. (for me, it's little and often)

    Also have a my first 100mile road ride in 3 weeks, so in a similar situation - but did a shared 12hr and 8hr solo MTB events last year, so know roughly what seems to work for me.
    Simon
  • marlin151
    marlin151 Posts: 52
    To the OP, if you're doing a 100 miler, what you eat the day before / morning of the event is as important to not bonking as the drinks on the ride.

    There's plenty of advice on the training forum and I've found the following works well to get you fully fueled before the ride.

    Day before (lunchtime): do a short easy ride (or 20min warm up on the turbo) and then do 3 hard 1 min intervals with 1 min recovery in between. Make sure you get towards 80- 90% of max HR at the end of each interval. This prepares your body for step 2. Immediately after the interval, eat a large balanced carb / protein meal (eg Pasta & chicken). Have a portion much larger than you would normally eat. The short hard interval session should prepare your body to store as much of the food energy as possible in your muscles (glycogen). Make sure you drink plenty of water throughout the rest of the day to remain fully hydrated.

    Have light snack in the evening (eg sandwich & bag of crisps).

    Morning of ride (2 hrs before start). Big bowl of porridge (plus honey & fruit if you want). Large glass of OJ or cranberry juice topped up 50% with water. Toast & jam.

    I usually make up an extra 500m bottle of energy drink (High 5 4:1 for me) and drink half an hour before the start. (then have a pee, you'll need one).

    On the ride, as others have said, sip plenty and often your drink of choice. I do one energy bottle to one of water. Probably 3 - 4 SIS 800m bottles for a 100m ride. Start sipping early in the ride. If you start to feel thirsty 20m in that's a bad sign...

    Eat bananas / flapjacks etc at 30 - 40m and make sure you have some more at 60-70m.

    Use a HRM / computer to pace yourself and avoid the mistake of pushing to hard in the first 30m or so.

    I try to keep my ave. HR under 80% of max and if I see if creeping above, I back off and join a slower bunch or use a smaller gear up the hills.
  • rogerthecat
    rogerthecat Posts: 669
    Reflex Edge.
  • edindevon
    edindevon Posts: 325
    paultrueman wrote:
    One Bottle has plain Nuun, (usually the berry flavour) the other has a 'turbo nuun' this is a bottle of lucazade sport with a nuun chucked in, you can supercharge this with a redbull or relentless, very usefull on an early morning ride

    Paul

    For anyone who doesn't already know, Tesco Express stores are currently doing 4 cans of Relentless for £1.00.

    Edindevon
  • blackpoolkev
    blackpoolkev Posts: 474
    PeteMadoc wrote:
    60 miles I can manage ok with a banana a breakfast bar thing and some fruit juice. It's the over 60 milers I'm interested in like the 100 miler I've signed up for in a couple of weeks.

    Your 60 milers will be fueled mainly by the carbs already stored when you set off,the snacks are just a top up to a steadily diminishing reserve.The 100 miler will require a higher rate of intake to prevent the tank becoming empty.
    I think that using your water bottle to help top up your carbs is a good plan.

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