Help: LOOK sizing advice please | 585 optimum and 586
Starwasp
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I am looking at 2010 585 Optimum and 586 LOOK frames on the web, and am finding sizing tricky. I am 6 foot and half an inch tall with a c33.5cm inside leg measurement.
The Large seems a bit small and the XL seems a bit big!
Any advice from forum members/LOOK owners would be gratefully received?
The Large seems a bit small and the XL seems a bit big!
Any advice from forum members/LOOK owners would be gratefully received?
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In what way is it too big ? What do you ride at the moment ?
I found with my look frame (486 extra small) it was slightly longer in the seat tube than my other bike but the right length in the top tube, it just meant a slightly shorter saddle to bar drop.
I guess you will have to look at the charts for your current bike (assuming its a good fit for you) and work out from there which of the sizes fits you best. This is going to depend on your body measurements and how you like to ride your bikes.
Geometry charts:
585:
http://www.epic-cycles.co.uk/images/geometry-585.pdf
586:
http://www.epic-cycles.co.uk/images/loo ... 011_36.pdf0 -
I ride a 58 Madone at present. The Look large sizing is marked as 55 and XL is marked as a 57 but I am aware that different geometries will mean that this is not fully comparable.
I have looked at the geometry charts but frankly my brain doesn't work that way!
regards
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Just had a quick look at the madone and they have different dimensions for different fits just to complicate things.
They normally label the frame via the size of the top tube so a 57 would be a 57 cm top tube. If you get the model of madone you have you should be able to compare it.
The look 585 xl (57)
Top tube centre to centre is 57.5
Seat tube centre to top is 59.6
Head tube is 17.5
The 586 xL is
Top tube centre to centre is 57.5
Seat tube centre to top is 61
Head tube is 17.90 -
Edited for exaggeration.0
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XL. I'm 6'1.5" and used to ride an XL and I was right at top end of it's fit range...0
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That's helpful, thanks, guys.
My heart says 585 (lugged frame, naked carbon finish) but this is only available in L so I may well go for the 586 in an XL. Still very nice looking bike. Which matters much more than fit in any event!
That all said, am I right to assume that the difference in sizing between a 55 and a 57 is only 2 centimetres. f this is the case, this difference must be able to be neutralised by the right choice of stem, so is it really that important?0 -
It's very important, using stem length to make a bike fit rather than getting the right frame to start with compromises handling, furthermore it's vitally important to get the bb to saddle setback right. You'd need a crazy long seatpost on the L and it would look daft.
Fit is the most important aspect of a bike. I'd rather have a cheap bike that fitted perfect than an expensive one that isn't quite right.0 -
So style doesn't matter; only fit does. But you'd reject an L on the grounds that a crazy long seatpost would look daft.....
On a serious note, if the issue is the BB to saddle setback, isn't this more about inseam than absolute height? If you were at the top of the fit scale for your XL, what is your inseam?0 -
Starwasp wrote:So style doesn't matter; only fit does. But you'd reject an L on the grounds that a crazy long seatpost would look daft.....
On a serious note, if the issue is the BB to saddle setback, isn't this more about inseam than absolute height? If you were at the top of the fit scale for your XL, what is your inseam?
I'd reject it due to the fact that I wouldn't be able to get my position right.
Not a clue what my inseam is. About 33ish as a guess.0 -
This was how I had my XL Look set up. As you can imagine, a 2cm smaller frame would look, erm, challenging even if I could get it to fit!
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Absolutely no use what so ever but, I'm 5'10", 32" inside leg and i've got a Look 585 ultra in a 53 which i think is a medium, perfect fit, top frame, can't fault it!0
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6 1.5 and ride an XL with a 12cm stem - could maybe go 13cm. A 585 has a fairly short head tube and a fairly low top tube (57cm c2c) so as long as 57.5cm isn't too long a top tube for you (shouldn't be) I'd say definitely an XL.
it's a hard life if you don't weaken.0 -
Thanks for the advice. My Madone has a 57.2 cm top tube so that shouldn't be a problem.
Still happy to get more input so keep it coming.
(And thanks for the photo, Nap. Nice!)0 -
I have a large size 585 Optimum. I'm about 6 ft 1 but long legged. I needed the Optimum as I need a tall in height, short in length bike. Can't recall what my inside leg is but, I certainly wouldn't want an XL as the reach is too long for me.
The Optimum is a short frame - I also have a Ribble Gran Fondo which is very close in geometry and I tried a Scott CR1 which was almost as short - with my proportions, the short frame length still gives a racier position than you'd normally get on a sportive geometry bike.
The 585 doesn't have a particularly compact frame so I don't think my seat tube looks crazy long! (see below). In theory, Nap D and I should get into a big argument here as our advice looks conflicting yet the bikes similar in proportion! Maybe find a CR1 to sit on of roughly the same size - probably the easiest way you can test it. Otherwise I'd say go to Ribble and try a Gran Fondo but it is a long way to go!
Faster than a tent.......0 -
Im 6ft with 33 inch inside leg and plumped for the "L" for my 585 ultra a couple of years ago . I had the same dilema so went with the mantra that its easier to make a smaller frame fit ie more spacers ; lnger stem etc than being stuck with a Larger frame that I was stuck with . This has a 10cm spacer with a 120mm stem .
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I assume you mean 10mm spacer? :shock:0
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Sorry 10mm :oops:
Like Nap said . I could have went for an XL but felt the larger frame would have been more upright and would have made the steering a little more twitchy due to a shorter stem .0 -
This all goes to show that you are best trying out/getting a proper fit done, the XL was actually a touch small for me but they didn't do the 555 in an XXL...0
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Thanks everybody for the info. To update you all, I have now made a decision. For better or worse.
I ordered the L 585 as I really liked the lugged style, and then sent it back once I'd seen it in the flesh. The clincher was the realisation that the 585 L was smaller than my existing 58 madone on which I have no spacers, a similar headtube length and a 100mm stem. I have ordered the 586 XL instead.
I appreciate all the advice about getting properly fitted, but when you are buying a sale frame, you have to be prepared to take some risk in return for a big discount.0 -
Looking forward to seeing it!0
