wheel truing

supafly1982

How do you fo about truing your wheels, do you do the latteral first then radial, vive versa or do you do them both at the same time as you go along?

Im asking as ive taken up wheel building as something to do, a little extra knowledge is handy and im interested how you go about yours.

supersonic

Have a look at the FAQ or go straight to Park Tools or Sheldon Brown's website for great guides.

supafly1982

supersonic wrote:

Have a look at the FAQ or go straight to Park Tools or Sheldon Brown's website for great guides.

is there pretty much only one way to true a wheel then? i'll take a look

chers
scott

supersonic

Pretty much!

piker

I was recommended this e-book on another forum,might be worth a look.
Have a read through the reviews first.
http://www.wheelpro.co.uk/wheelbuilding/book.php

kevolution

That's Roger Musson. Compared to Brandt Jobst, He's an amateur.
But so is every other competent wheelbuider in the world if you believe the hype.

Wheelbuilding is a science, not an art. Get the maths right and practice a lot, and you too can be a world class wheelbuilder.
I build wheels for a WC DH racer and some Olympic competitors, as well as the Welsh Wheelchair Rugby team.

These guys rely on my builds for their competitions, and I wont let them down.
But do I search for credit when they win? NO.
I just do my job.
Maybe I should get out there proclaimimg myself to be the next big thing in wheeluilbing.
But I hate bullshit. And most of the publcised builders are full of it

So make your choice people, bullshit or quality. There is no middle ground.

piker

kevolution wrote:

That's Roger Musson. Compared to Brandt Jobst, He's an amateur.
But so is every other competent wheelbuider in the world if you believe the hype.

Wheelbuilding is a science, not an art. Get the maths right and practice a lot, and you too can be a world class wheelbuilder.
I build wheels for a WC DH racer and some Olympic competitors, as well as the Welsh Wheelchair Rugby team.

These guys rely on my builds for their competitions, and I wont let them down.
But do I search for credit when they win? NO.
I just do my job.
Maybe I should get out there proclaimimg myself to be the next big thing in wheeluilbing.
But I hate bullshit. And most of the publcised builders are full of it

So make your choice people, bullshit or quality. There is no middle ground.

So you are the perfect person to answer the original post, :idea:

kevolution

I think I just did.
I'm not here to teach you, I had to learn this shit while working in bike shops and earning shit money.
Do you think I'm gonna give this knowledge away for free?
If you want to know more, visit my website www.biteme.co.uk

The Northern Monkey

kevolution wrote:

I think I just did.
I'm not here to teach you, I had to learn this shoot while working in bike shops and earning shoot money.
Do you think I'm gonna give this knowledge away for free?
If you want to know more, visit my website www.biteme.co.uk

so your "knowledge" is worth paying for is it?
in comparison to park tools, sheldon, and an almost unlimited resource of tips and other users that are willing to share with other riders.

or are you a bit wary that if anyone puts their mind to it they could build a wheelset as good, if not better than yourself and then you'd be out of a job?

after all, its only "maths and practice" - what makes you so special?

piker

kevolution wrote:

I think I just did.
I'm not here to teach you, I had to learn this shoot while working in bike shops and earning shoot money.
Do you think I'm gonna give this knowledge away for free?
If you want to know more, visit my website www.biteme.co.uk

So basically the op has to learn by doing an apprenticeship in a bike shop.He cant ask for advice in a workshop and tech section of a forum.
I dont think your in danger of losing your title of best wheelbuilder in G.B.
The link i gave to the e-book seems like a good guide to someone starting out,but obviously it must be full of bullshit, fair enough.

Lee5768

kevolution wrote:

That's Roger Musson. Compared to Brandt Jobst, He's an amateur.
But so is every other competent wheelbuider in the world if you believe the hype.

Wheelbuilding is a science, not an art. Get the maths right and practice a lot, and you too can be a world class wheelbuilder.
I build wheels for a WC DH racer and some Olympic competitors, as well as the Welsh Wheelchair Rugby team.

These guys rely on my builds for their competitions, and I wont let them down.
But do I search for credit when they win? NO.
I just do my job.
Maybe I should get out there proclaimimg myself to be the next big thing in wheeluilbing.
But I hate bullshit. And most of the publcised builders are full of it

So make your choice people, bullshit or quality. There is no middle ground.

Great story bro :roll:
Maths and practice. Good job no spelling is involved aye. Square wheels wouldn't be good for Welsh Wheelchair Rugby.

I would sooner help a person myself.

supafly1982

lol some people are good for a laugh , cheers to those who have decent imput, as long as theres people like us willing to teach and help others im sure our society will be just fine

ive got the book "The Art of Wheel Building" by Gerd Schraner, read it all, good book, i was just wondering if theres more than one way to string a cat so to speak, anyone else read this book, its got a handy wheel truing chart on page 86. kevolution, you will be pleased to know i paid for the book

pilsburypie

When I used to rule the world........

dennisn

supafly1982 wrote:

lol some people are good for a laugh , cheers to those who have decent imput, as long as theres people like us willing to teach and help others im sure our society will be just fine

ive got the book "The Art of Wheel Building" by Gerd Schraner, read it all, good book, i was just wondering if theres more than one way to string a cat so to speak, anyone else read this book, its got a handy wheel truing chart on page 86. kevolution, you will be pleased to know i paid for the book

I got started using his book. Good stuff IMHO. Haven't built a lot of wheels(what would i do with them if I did?) but so far I have had pretty much zero problems with them other than a few slight truings. I would say that using the proper tools and working according to a good manual are the key to the whole thing.

supersonic

Barnett's do some good technical guides, but they cost. Sheldon's and Park Tools will yield good results and are easy to follow for the new builder. The books go into more technical detail.

With pactice and patience, just about anybody can build a good wheel. Helps to have a truing stand, good spoke keys, nipple driver and well made dishing tool, but even these can be made [except spoke keys - go for the Spokey, Park or VAR]

Hugh A

I've built a few wheels. I'm no expert but the finished articles have so far all turned out better than any equivalent shop or factory ones I have had.

In answer to your original question - it all has to come together as you build the wheel, but I would say it is easier if you get the radial truth sorted first then concentrate on lateral and of course make sure any wind-up is released properly or it will go off straight away.

If you are starting, front wheels are far easier due to the even tensions. Better quality hubs rims and spokes also make it a lot easier. One of the first (front) wheels I ever built has been bashed about a bit over the years but has still remained true.

supafly1982

ive got a park dishing tool from CRC , Tack stand truing stand as it was on offer, the moulded clamp base is a bit flexy but it does the job fine, especially for the price. http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-t ... 0000000000

im trying front wheels first, one step at a time and all that, ive got punches so im sure one will be the right size for the spokes.

Ive read in the book about the washers, do any of you guys use them so your wheels stay true and you dont suffer spoke failure?

SpiCan

I,ve replaced rims and built a wheel following the the instuctions in Roger Musson,s E book, (which is not free).
Waiting for two Mavic EX 729 rims, Shimano XT hubs and a bunch of DT comp 2-1.8-2 spokes to arrive for a nice pair of all mountain wheels.
Its not rocket science, don.t knock people for having a go following a book.

TuckerUK

It certainly isn't rocket science. I've built a few now, non for hardcore riders mind, and they've all stayed true. My only tools are Sheldon's guiide, the correct size Spokey, and cable ties around the frame/fork cut to equal lengths as a truing guide.

Did order spokes slightly too short on my first wheel though (new hub on existing wheel), that was fun, NOT!

Simples.