has any pro ever come back better having been caught ?
northernneil
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you know the old statement I will come back clean and better than before after being done .....
I was talking about this with my mate on a ride and we couldnt think of anyone who actually 'come back better',
Dave Miller obviously came to mind but we arent sure if he is 'better' .... any you guys can think of ?
*obviously I realise that coming back doesn't give any guarantee of actually coming back clean
I was talking about this with my mate on a ride and we couldnt think of anyone who actually 'come back better',
Dave Miller obviously came to mind but we arent sure if he is 'better' .... any you guys can think of ?
*obviously I realise that coming back doesn't give any guarantee of actually coming back clean
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Basso - he won the Giro in 2006 when he was thinking of doping, then again last year when he'd renounced doping.0
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Basso is pretty good considering his age0
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But didn't Basso batter the field in the 2006 Giro (a 9+ min advantage over the second placed rider), whereas in 2010 he won by less than 2 minutes. So difficult to argue he came back "better" in purely athletical terms. You could argue it was an ethically "better" result, although of course Basso has never admitted being on the juice in 2006 !0
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Christophe Moreau0
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If your capacity is X on drugs, your capacity without drugs is going to be Y where Y < X.
I think points riders might be making is that they are still excellent riders without the drugs and so will perform highly when they come back.
In reality it wont be as they were before, but it is perfectly reasonable for them to still be top flight riders.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Mccaria wrote:But didn't Basso batter the field in the 2006 Giro (a 9+ min advantage over the second placed rider), whereas in 2010 he won by less than 2 minutes. So difficult to argue he came back "better" in purely athletical terms. You could argue it was an ethically "better" result, although of course Basso has never admitted being on the juice in 2006 !
Basso benefited from some ridiculously poor tactics by the other contenders too."A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"
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how about riders who have come back and been nowhere near where they were before? i know he hasn't been banned but Armstrong coming back after he 'retired' was rubbish compared to before when he was racing. I think he wanted to come back to win the tour and use that as ammo for the 'i didn't dope cause', but it failed0
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Scarponi?0
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ozzzyosborn206 wrote:how about riders who have come back and been nowhere near where they were before? i know he hasn't been banned but Armstrong coming back after he 'retired' was rubbish compared to before when he was racing. I think he wanted to come back to win the tour and use that as ammo for the 'i didn't dope cause', but it failed
He was also 38 years ol when he came back...0 -
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ozzzyosborn206 wrote:how about riders who have come back and been nowhere near where they were before? i know he hasn't been banned but Armstrong coming back after he 'retired' was rubbish compared to before when he was racing. I think he wanted to come back to win the tour and use that as ammo for the 'i didn't dope cause', but it failed
Flandis.0 -
andyp wrote:Basso - he won the Giro in 2006 when he was thinking of doping, then again last year when he'd renounced doping.
thinking of doping ... heheheh still cracks me up0 -
Garry H wrote:ozzzyosborn206 wrote:how about riders who have come back and been nowhere near where they were before? i know he hasn't been banned but Armstrong coming back after he 'retired' was rubbish compared to before when he was racing. I think he wanted to come back to win the tour and use that as ammo for the 'i didn't dope cause', but it failed
He was also 38 years ol when he came back...
Plus his preparation that year for the Tour was pretty poor by his standards and he had all sorts of set backs leading up to it.0 -
northernneil wrote:andyp wrote:Basso - he won the Giro in 2006 when he was thinking of doping, then again last year when he'd renounced doping.
thinking of doping ... heheheh still cracks me up
It actually makes perfect sense if you look at what CONI were investigating him for. "attempting to use a forbidden method"Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
It's the love that dare not speak it's name.
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iainf72 wrote:northernneil wrote:andyp wrote:Basso - he won the Giro in 2006 when he was thinking of doping, then again last year when he'd renounced doping.
thinking of doping ... heheheh still cracks me up
It actually makes perfect sense if you look at what CONI were investigating him for. "attempting to use a forbidden method"
Please -- Basso was ET at the 2006 Giro. Pure ET.0 -
Bakunin wrote:iainf72 wrote:northernneil wrote:andyp wrote:Basso - he won the Giro in 2006 when he was thinking of doping, then again last year when he'd renounced doping.
thinking of doping ... heheheh still cracks me up
It actually makes perfect sense if you look at what CONI were investigating him for. "attempting to use a forbidden method"
Please -- Basso was ET at the 2006 Giro. Pure ET.
That may be, but does it change the fact that he was being investigated for attempting to use a forbidden method? No.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:Bakunin wrote:iainf72 wrote:northernneil wrote:andyp wrote:Basso - he won the Giro in 2006 when he was thinking of doping, then again last year when he'd renounced doping.
thinking of doping ... heheheh still cracks me up
It actually makes perfect sense if you look at what CONI were investigating him for. "attempting to use a forbidden method"
Please -- Basso was ET at the 2006 Giro. Pure ET.
That may be, but does it change the fact that he was being investigated for attempting to use a forbidden method? No.
Distinction without a difference.
The blood was his, he admitted it.
As Iain knows -- Brillo himself called it correctly.
He reflected on his decision to involve himself with Fuentes. "It was a weak moment, but I am aware that attempting to dope is the same as doping. I will serve my sentence and return to the work I love."
http://www.bikeradar.com/forum/posting. ... dfbef38921
More importantly, you would agree that in the 2006 Giro Basso was ET, right?. One can play semantics, but you saw it -- he was not of this world. Like the Chicken and AC at the Tour in 2008, filled to the brim with grim.0 -
ok well if we take his word for it then he doesnt qualify for this thread as he hasnt actually doped .... so cant come back better 'naturally' than when he was 'enhanced', as he never took anything0
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"If your capacity is X on drugs, your capacity without drugs is going to be Y where Y < X."
ultimate capacity might be better with doping, but by many accounts, lazier riders have used doping to acheive similar results for less effort.
Also, without the doping, just having to rely on training, genetrics and diet, and with the motivation to prove themselves all over again, there's no reason why some riders couldn't perform better after a ban.
I'd say Basso in 2010 was a better ride than 2006, all things considered.0
