Superstar pads for Avid Juicys: A warning

antfly
antfly Posts: 3,276
edited February 2011 in MTB workshop & tech
Save your time and money and don't get these because they don't fit. Before anyone says it's my fault someone else mentioned it on here too, unfortunately I had already bought them. Don`t they test these things?
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  • apreading
    apreading Posts: 4,535
    Fitted mine OK...
  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    Different batch maybe...
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  • ilovedirt
    ilovedirt Posts: 5,798
    I've also had problems with these. This thread has come up a number of times now.
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  • captainfly
    captainfly Posts: 1,001
    The kevlar ones I fitted to my juicy threes lat week went in no problem :?:
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  • rockmonkeysc
    rockmonkeysc Posts: 14,774
    Was talking to the mechanic in my local shop yesterday, the tried them in his own bike but they were too thick and had too be filed down too stop them dragging.
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  • davewalsh
    davewalsh Posts: 587
    I've just fitted a set - went in without problems.
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  • Herbie The Dog
    Herbie The Dog Posts: 343
    Some fit...some don't.

    But as Superstar have the best customer service in the industry just send them back for replacements or a refund.
  • ricky48
    ricky48 Posts: 18
    Does anyone know if I can completely swap the internals from my 140mm float to my F120mm float in order to make it 140mm travel? The lowers seem to be identical in length but I haven`t stripped them to find out if the stanchions are similar sized,Reason for swap is the F120 forks are white and pristine but the 140mm floats are very scraped and grey and don`t look good on my newly white painted orange 5.Iknow that the F series cant be increased by spacer removal-that`s why I thought about a full internal change if poss.
  • ricardo_smooth
    ricardo_smooth Posts: 1,281
    Mine fit no probs, seems an element of quality control may be an issue
  • stumpyjon
    stumpyjon Posts: 4,069
    You do need to ensure the pistons are fully pushed back or you will have problems, I've yet to have a pair I haven't got in (eventually). Can be a major pain trail side if you don't have a large srewdriver to open up the pistons. There again what do you want for a third the price, I'd love to only use the Avid ones, but the niggles with the Superstar pads (Had two delaminate a couple of weeks ago mid ride) are outweighed by the price in my opinion.
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  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    The pistons are well in, Avid pads go in in a few seconds, these things just don't fit, It's not the braking surface that's the problem it's the metal.
    I know they are cheaper but I still expect them to fit, I don't think that's unreasonable but
    It does seem like there is no QC and that's how they keep the prices down so if you get a good pair everyone`s happy and if you don't you've just wasted 7 quid and had a lot of hassle.
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  • *AJ*
    *AJ* Posts: 1,080
    antfly wrote:
    The pistons are well in, Avid pads go in in a few seconds, these things just don't fit, It's not the braking surface that's the problem it's the metal.
    I know they are cheaper but I still expect them to fit, I don't think that's unreasonable but
    It does seem like there is no QC and that's how they keep the prices down so if you get a good pair everyone`s happy and if you don't you've just wasted 7 quid and had a lot of hassle.

    Have you even been in touch with superstar yet??

    I very much doubt you've wasted your money!!! Lol
  • *AJ*
    *AJ* Posts: 1,080
    RICKY48 wrote:
    Does anyone know if I can completely swap the internals from my 140mm float to my F120mm float in order to make it 140mm travel? The lowers seem to be identical in length but I haven`t stripped them to find out if the stanchions are similar sized,Reason for swap is the F120 forks are white and pristine but the 140mm floats are very scraped and grey and don`t look good on my newly white painted orange 5.Iknow that the F series cant be increased by spacer removal-that`s why I thought about a full internal change if poss.

    WTF??? Random unrelated post there...
  • captainfly
    captainfly Posts: 1,001
    antfly wrote:
    The pistons are well in, Avid pads go in in a few seconds, these things just don't fit, It's not the braking surface that's the problem it's the metal.
    I know they are cheaper but I still expect them to fit, I don't think that's unreasonable but
    It does seem like there is no QC and that's how they keep the prices down so if you get a good pair everyone`s happy and if you don't you've just wasted 7 quid and had a lot of hassle.

    You are putting them in the right way aren't you? The bent tab goes nearest the wheel. You have also removes the old sperator spring from the caliper. If you don;t get them lined up properly they can be a pig. What is the exact problem you are having.
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  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,812
    Ours wouldn't fit (sintered) the recess in the backplate was in the wrong place to fit over the pip on the piston, to be fair we got a prompt refund. Got some exotic carbon's off ebay for the same price, straight in.

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  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    I am doing everything right, i've had juicys for a few years now and can change pads in a minute normally. These are just too large to go in and after some filing I got them in but they still don't click in, similar to The Beginner`s experience.
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  • diy
    diy Posts: 6,473
    Open the bleed screw they will go in fine. The issue is the ramp on the back plate which is steeper than those on Avid pads. Its made worse by bleeding with half worn pads.

    I have run about 20 sets of SS pads and so far have always managed to get them in.
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  • bails87
    bails87 Posts: 12,998
    Mine have always been fine. Kevlar and sintered in Juicy 7s.
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  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    edited February 2011
    I've only just done a bleed with the Avid separator pad inserted, the pistons are retracting fully, these pads just don't fit.
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  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,812
    diy wrote:
    Open the bleed screw they will go in fine.
    Llubtish....

    Read my post, if they are the same wrong shape backplates I had, NOTHING will get them to fit, the recess for the pip on the piston was over to one side by 1mm from the other brand new pads we had which would practically climb in by themselves.

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  • diy
    diy Posts: 6,473
    I agree it sounds like you had a faulty one, but Antfly's complaint was the thickness of the pad. IME that is the ramping on the back, because all of mine have been consistently steeper than avid pads.

    Opening the bleed screw helps get them in to position.

    I think there is a world of difference between having a dodgy batch of pads vs. saying don't buy SS because they don't fit.

    My 20 odd pairs says they do.
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  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    You got the wrong impression, it's not the pad thickness that's the problem for me either.

    I should probably say if you buy these pads be aware there is a good chance they won't fit.
    Superstar do claim they are the same quality as the originals so it's fair to expect them to fit.
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  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,812
    I was going to post that you'd covered that one.

    I would add that measuring the location of the recess with a normal 'school' ruler will show up the error we had (although we used verniers). its 'side to side (along the long length) not up and down.

    Simon
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  • Daz555
    Daz555 Posts: 3,976
    On my 2nd set of Superstars in my Juicy 3s and they fit perfectly.
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  • cee
    cee Posts: 4,553
    I have had to file down the backing plate in one set of pads to get it to fit into the caliper...fortunately not a new pack trailside repair...but done before setting out, so luckily wasn't an issue.

    had no issues with the many many other sets of pads for several different sets of brakes though.
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