Kuota 2010 Kebel or 2011 Kharma?

tpk

It's now or never. Do I go for a 2010 Kuota Kebel with Fulcrum race 5 and Ultegra or 2011 Kharma with new 105 and Mavic Aksiums. The 2010 Kebel is £100 cheaper but doesn't have the newer group set or bb30.
Any thoughts?

Thanks.
Tim

danowat

If you can find anywhere with 2011 Kharma's in stock, let me know, I was trying to find one a few weeks ago.....

noiseboyfeetman

Primera sports has the 2011 Kharma

http://www.primera-sports.com/cms/site/ ... stock.aspx

danowat

Thats what they'd have to think, although in reality, its not true, they were supposed to get stock a few weeks ago, they never got back to me to confirm they'd had delivery

noiseboyfeetman

I take it you've tried Epic Cycles? Their site says they do, i know they don't have the 2011 Kebel as i've been contact with Chris at Epic.

http://www.epic-cycles.co.uk/Kuota_Kharma.html

danowat

Epic don't offer finance

glasgowbhoy

danowat wrote:

Epic don't offer finance

Get a 0% on purchases for 12 months credit card. If you want longer then balance transfer for a small fee after 12 months for another interest free year to pay it off?

Slow Downcp

Depends what the inended use is - the Kebel is stiffer and more race orientated, the Kharma gives a slightly smoother ride. You need to ride them before deicding.

kingrollo

had the same dilema a couple of years back - I went for the Kharma mainly because the 2009 kebel didn't have a great range of colours back them.

The Khama is very comfy - but lacks the accleration of a dedicated race bike - I haven't riden the Kebel - but I guess your choice is comprimising a tiny bit of performance - for comfort

twotyred

The Khama is very comfy - but lacks the accleration of a dedicated race bike

I disagree. I rode a Kharma back to back with a Scott Addict. I couldn't detect any difference when standing on the pedals giving it some.

Until someone shows me some figures showing significant differences in energy losses between frames I'll continue to believe that thinking you need a frame that rattles your fillings out in order for it to be a race bike is subjective nonesense.

kingrollo

twotyred wrote:

The Khama is very comfy - but lacks the accleration of a dedicated race bike

I disagree. I rode a Kharma back to back with a Scott Addict. I couldn't detect any difference when standing on the pedals giving it some.

Until someone shows me some figures showing significant differences in energy losses between frames I'll continue to believe that thinking you need a frame that rattles your fillings out in order for it to be a race bike is subjective nonesense.

My bike prior to the kharma - was an Alu pinarello - this was notably stiffer than the kharma.

twotyred

But did it accelerate any faster?

kingrollo

twotyred wrote:

But did it accelerate any faster?

Yes

twotyred

How you you know? Timed runs over a set distance?

danowat

I am about 15mins away from pulling the trigger on a Kharma

kingrollo

danowat wrote:

I am about 15mins away from pulling the trigger on a Kharma

That was 2 hours ago ?

Has it been ordered ?

danowat

Yup 8)

Finally stopped procrastonating about it

what brakes

Go for the Kebal.

Lioghter and stiffer but if you want more comfort so for a slighty more padded saddle! i bet you wouldnt feel too much difference between them. plus you get better wheels and components with the Kebel

kingrollo

danowat wrote:

Epic don't offer finance

The price for epics Kharma \ Ultegra \ Assault seems way OTT

When I brought my Kharma it was an extra £100 for ultegra.