drugs in gyms , easy as contador
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There will always be some people doing drugs. I don't think the problem is that huge in cycling, compared to what you may see in a gym.
Not to sure about road racing, but the bigger TT's of the year you can be tested, I was tested at the National 100 last year in fact. I saw the UKAD at a few TT's last year. A couple of riders got caught last year as well.
They might not visit your local TT, but the bigger ones where alot of the top guys and girls are competing, and they are likely to be there.
There have always been drugs in gyms IMO, most likely place to find them.0 -
I think you'll find hundreds of websites dedicated to selling performance enhancing drugs.
However, if you dig a little deeper, you'll find that virtually NONE of them are on the up-and-up. They are all there to rip you off.
Of course, it depends on what you are after, but for the most part, the 'good stuff' is NOT easily available.0 -
Not sure what the situation is in the UK but here in the states drugs and amatuer sports are rampant. What bothers me most is that it starts with school children even younger than 14yrs, mostly steroids to "bulk up" like their professional heros. Seems to be popular in gyms everywhere as well seeing how the pro bodybuilding circuit doesn't seem to be too concerned with it's use. Some time ago someone here even provided a link to a forum for amatuer cyclists trading info about their EPO use so that they might have a better chance of placing in their 3rd club race and the cherished plastic trophy. I think this is the worst part of pros doping in that they inspire others with not much to gain but plenty to lose to do as their professional idols.0
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its fair to say that yes their have always been drugs around in the more hard core gyms but kept well under wraps and used by the more serious guys and in the higher end of sport in other events, now its not uncommen to see lads at 16 join a gym and within weeks they are useing good quality gear , this is not poor quality stuff or substitutes for the real thing , i'm talking to other coaches who are saying the same thing its as the above poster said , rampant ,
i cant comment on where its comeing from or the quality of the stuff when bought as i dont buy it , but what ever it is , its easily and cheaply available ,
its a valid comment to say that its probably more prevalant in the body building and size/strengh related sports than any thing else though ,
thats why i was wondering if any of you guys had seen your opponants suddenly looking a lot faster than the last time you raced them0 -
SBezza wrote:They might not visit your local TT, but the bigger ones where alot of the top guys and girls are competing, and they are likely to be there.
But it's pretty easy to still to get the benefits of a hard winters/early season assisted training and test completely clean come national race day. Obviously the gains won't be as immense as if you were actually doped in the event, but they'll still be a shortcut to better results.
I don't think there's any practical way to catch those guys other than intelligence (and it's likely UKAD will follow up credible evidence and target riders with out of competition tests - although that's more complicated in TT'ing as you don't have to sign up to be tested unlike in Road Racing)
But I also don't think there are that many drug assisted performances, but I would be astonished if all the top TT'ers were clean. Unfortunately.Jibbering Sports Stuff: http://jibbering.com/sports/0 -
Your average knucle-head in a gym is more interested in 'image' rather than 'performance'.0
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i've heard and seen a lot of very questionable goings on in my Uni gym, and the stories I've heard of my local gym back home it is the same story.
It disgusts me, but it's the blatant lie that they tell when they say it is all natural, and the perception of normal people thinking it is natural.0 -
Some people are obsessed with the need to out perform others. I don't see any huge rise.0
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Have any of you seen Bigger, Faster, Stronger? Great docu-movie about steroid users in American sports. It even features Mr Landis showing you around his little cheat chamber!
I don't think it's that much of a problem in amateur cycling though is it? If you're an elite cyclist looking for an edge or trying to make a living and can't live with yourself unless you're winning then I guess there may be some temptation but surely it's not common place for a sportive or a Sunday TT? The crap people buy in gyms is more of a vanity thing for getting your guns on, I imagine the thumb heads would more than likely beat you up than sell you some steroids to do something dumb like ride your bike faster no?0 -
The gyms I've trained in have mainly had a lot of drug users in their. Funnily enough thats not what bothers me. Its the overuse of supplements instead of a proper diet. One thing that even I've been guilty of in the past is taking NO products like NO explode. Apparently it releases nitrogen oxide in to the blood stream and gets your muscles and body pumped and ready to do your workout. However I think that its too much of a stimulant with a heap load of caffiene in rather than a miracle cure to better performance in training.
As for the drugs thing, I've seen a lot of steroid abuse and found that the guys who take them are usually ill informed thinking that it is a short cut to a wonderful body and less training...usually ending up with them fat and angry
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I do love seeing the neckless/doped up guys wander around the gym as if they own the place. The flexing in the mirrors is entertaining - the best part (from my experience) is they believe that is the is look I go to the gym to achieve. I'm glad to say I haven't seen a rise in numbers in my gym - although the oversized biceps is always the favored look on a friday night out in town!Road: Felt AR0, Di2
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Drunk girls do much prefer oversized biceps and a fat stomach on a brute to a skinny guy who performs his own blood transfusions in the back of a bus though eh?0
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Pokerface wrote:I think you'll find hundreds of websites dedicated to selling performance enhancing drugs.
However, if you dig a little deeper, you'll find that virtually NONE of them are on the up-and-up. They are all there to rip you off.
Of course, it depends on what you are after, but for the most part, the 'good stuff' is NOT easily available.
i have to disagree , although i suspect you are correct in some respect , how ever the real money is not in supplying crap or fake gear , these are small interlinked circles of athletes who are telling each other what they take and performance of these drugs is paramount , if its not working these guys know it , the money is in supplying better quality and repeat orders ,
but i take your point , their will be a lot of substitute crap out their , i just think the better sites dont need to supply fake stuff ,0 -
ShutUpLegs wrote:Some people are obsessed with the need to out perform others. I don't see any huge rise.
Indeed with steroids, the rise, if it can even rise, would be very small...
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Ive only ever heard the bodybuilder types chat about this in the sauna. I dont frequent the free weights area though - so my exposure is very limited.
They were talking about one of their mates who ran his own gym who died suddenly at a young age. They'd had to go round to the gym and 'clean it up' before the authorities went to visit apparently. Hmmm.0 -
Gear use in gyms is rife... its nothing new... however these guys keep themselves to themselves and their circle is tight. I see alot of young guys... quickly gaining without putting time and effort in to building their bodies naturally before endulging in large courses
I think its also attractive as the gains are fairly quick dependant of type of drugs used and there is no possession offence so a broad spectrum use AAS...
but hey who cares the meat heads cant even get up the stairs without going into oxygen debt haha0
