Forum home Road cycling forum The bottom bracket

Putting On Weight For Op?

ProssPross Posts: 25,336
edited February 2011 in The bottom bracket
Did anyone else hear about this yesterday http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-world/2011/01/27/20st-man-piles-on-pounds-to-qualify-for-nhs-gastric-band-115875-22878167/ ?

It seems a bizarre world that we live in when a person's answer to needing to lose weight is to put more weight on to enable them to qualify for an operation to help lose it! Surely he'd have been better off putting the same amount of effort into a low calory diet to lose weight rather than cramming even more food in and complaining to the media that it is the only way he qualifies for the op?

Posts

  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 52,560 Lives Here
    Pross wrote:
    Did anyone else hear about this yesterday http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-world/2011/01/27/20st-man-piles-on-pounds-to-qualify-for-nhs-gastric-band-115875-22878167/ ?

    It seems a bizarre world that we live in when a person's answer to needing to lose weight is to put more weight on to enable them to qualify for an operation to help lose it! Surely he'd have been better off putting the same amount of effort into a low calory diet to lose weight rather than cramming even more food in and complaining to the media that it is the only way he qualifies for the op?

    It's in the mirror...
  • ceecee Posts: 4,553
    Pross wrote:
    Surely he'd have been better off putting the same amount of effort into a low calory diet to lose weight rather than cramming even more food in and complaining to the media that it is the only way he qualifies for the op?

    can't really disagree with your point here....

    he does seem to be putting a lot of effort and commitment into gaining the 2 and a half stone he needed to hit the target weight of 21st to give the magic BMI figure....

    same effort and commitment to losing 2 and a half stone while arguably much more difficult, I feel would have a longer lasting positive effect.
    Whenever I see an adult on a bicycle, I believe in the future of the human race.

    H.G. Wells.
  • This pi$$e$ me off, I've waited 3 yrs to finally get a correct diagnoses then get told an operation to repair said problem might have me waiting up to 18 months! I just don't get it anymore!!!
    There is never redemption, any fool can regret yesterday...

    Be Pure! Be Vigilant! Behave!
  • MattC59MattC59 Posts: 5,433
    I saw a documentary on this a a couple of years ago. Personally I think it's disgusting.

    His consultant is quoted saying "“Darin has done everything he can."
    EXCEPT EATING LESS !!!!!

    It's very simple, if the fat f*cker consumes more calories than he expends, he'll get fat. Nothing that a bit of exercise and self discipline can't solve. :roll:

    Oh yeah......... the other problem would appear to be that his mouth is bigger than his ar*e hole, so he can cram food in faster than he can get rid of it !!

    You've got to laugh at the link below the article though
    "Win a year's supply of Ben and Jerry's ice cream"

    Surely someone was having a laugh when they put that page together :lol:
    Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
    Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved
  • tx14tx14 Posts: 244
    MattC59 wrote:
    I saw a documentary on this a a couple of years ago. Personally I think it's disgusting.

    His consultant is quoted saying "“Darin has done everything he can."
    EXCEPT EATING LESS !!!!!

    It's very simple, if the fat f*cker consumes more calories than he expends, he'll get fat. Nothing that a bit of exercise and self discipline can't solve. :roll:

    Oh yeah......... the other problem would appear to be that his mouth is bigger than his ar*e hole, so he can cram food in faster than he can get rid of it !!

    You've got to laugh at the link below the article though
    "Win a year's supply of Ben and Jerry's ice cream"

    Surely someone was having a laugh when they put that page together :lol:

    it's simple on principle, but eating less and exercise more involves a lifestyle change, which is not easy. I'm trying to put on weight myself, I'm slightly underweight even by the most forgiving standard. and it's not as easy as just eating more. any change in weight positive or negative in the long term is difficult.
    still, it would have made so much more sense to adjust your lifestyle in the right direction. now hand over the cheese burger.
  • ProssPross Posts: 25,336
    Pross wrote:
    Did anyone else hear about this yesterday http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-world/2011/01/27/20st-man-piles-on-pounds-to-qualify-for-nhs-gastric-band-115875-22878167/ ?

    It seems a bizarre world that we live in when a person's answer to needing to lose weight is to put more weight on to enable them to qualify for an operation to help lose it! Surely he'd have been better off putting the same amount of effort into a low calory diet to lose weight rather than cramming even more food in and complaining to the media that it is the only way he qualifies for the op?

    It's in the mirror...

    I used that link as it was also in the Mail and I know opinions on this site aren't high on that publication :wink: It was also on Radio 5 yesterday, they had an interview with him in which he made all the comments directly. I believe the original interview may have been with a reporter from the Guardian which I believe you may hold in higher esteem :wink:
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 52,560 Lives Here
    Pross wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Did anyone else hear about this yesterday http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-world/2011/01/27/20st-man-piles-on-pounds-to-qualify-for-nhs-gastric-band-115875-22878167/ ?

    It seems a bizarre world that we live in when a person's answer to needing to lose weight is to put more weight on to enable them to qualify for an operation to help lose it! Surely he'd have been better off putting the same amount of effort into a low calory diet to lose weight rather than cramming even more food in and complaining to the media that it is the only way he qualifies for the op?

    It's in the mirror...

    I used that link as it was also in the Mail and I know opinions on this site aren't high on that publication :wink: It was also on Radio 5 yesterday, they had an interview with him in which he made all the comments directly. I believe the original interview may have been with a reporter from the Guardian which I believe you may hold in higher esteem :wink:

    Haha/


    Yeah, but still. 5 live is't much better. I take issue with these 1 off individual cases. We never know the context, they don't actually show anything about anything, other than how nasty journos and the public can be.


    If I saw a stat saying - 20% of all gastric band patients deliberately gain weight to get one - It'd be something worth reporting.
  • MattC59MattC59 Posts: 5,433
    tx14 wrote:
    MattC59 wrote:
    I saw a documentary on this a a couple of years ago. Personally I think it's disgusting.

    His consultant is quoted saying "“Darin has done everything he can."
    EXCEPT EATING LESS !!!!!

    It's very simple, if the fat f*cker consumes more calories than he expends, he'll get fat. Nothing that a bit of exercise and self discipline can't solve. :roll:

    Oh yeah......... the other problem would appear to be that his mouth is bigger than his ar*e hole, so he can cram food in faster than he can get rid of it !!

    You've got to laugh at the link below the article though
    "Win a year's supply of Ben and Jerry's ice cream"

    Surely someone was having a laugh when they put that page together :lol:

    it's simple on principle, but eating less and exercise more involves a lifestyle change, which is not easy. I'm trying to put on weight myself, I'm slightly underweight even by the most forgiving standard. and it's not as easy as just eating more. any change in weight positive or negative in the long term is difficult.
    still, it would have made so much more sense to adjust your lifestyle in the right direction. now hand over the cheese burger.
    Vey true, but a change in weight when you're close to your target is difficult, ie adding or losing those last few pounds, but when you're hugely overweight, the weight comes off a lot easier at the beginning. Surely if he put some effort into it he could bring his weight down to a manageable level which would make the lifestyle change much easier ?
    Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
    Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved
  • OlliedaOllieda Posts: 1,010
    MattC59 wrote:
    tx14 wrote:
    MattC59 wrote:
    I saw a documentary on this a a couple of years ago. Personally I think it's disgusting.

    His consultant is quoted saying "“Darin has done everything he can."
    EXCEPT EATING LESS !!!!!

    It's very simple, if the fat f*cker consumes more calories than he expends, he'll get fat. Nothing that a bit of exercise and self discipline can't solve. :roll:

    Oh yeah......... the other problem would appear to be that his mouth is bigger than his ar*e hole, so he can cram food in faster than he can get rid of it !!

    You've got to laugh at the link below the article though
    "Win a year's supply of Ben and Jerry's ice cream"

    Surely someone was having a laugh when they put that page together :lol:

    it's simple on principle, but eating less and exercise more involves a lifestyle change, which is not easy. I'm trying to put on weight myself, I'm slightly underweight even by the most forgiving standard. and it's not as easy as just eating more. any change in weight positive or negative in the long term is difficult.
    still, it would have made so much more sense to adjust your lifestyle in the right direction. now hand over the cheese burger.
    Vey true, but a change in weight when you're close to your target is difficult, ie adding or losing those last few pounds, but when you're hugely overweight, the weight comes off a lot easier at the beginning. Surely if he put some effort into it he could bring his weight down to a manageable level which would make the lifestyle change much easier ?

    you all say he's putting in loads of effort to get bigger but is he really? The article simply quotes what he is eating at the moment, not a comparison to what he ate before. It's also taken him a year to put on a stone and a half which suggests this level of food is normal for him otherwise he would have put that weight on a lot quicker.

    Effort to change weight long term is difficult yes, but it depends on what way your body naturally goes. I am big, always have been, I have to be very careful about what I eat in order to lose / maintain weight. If I were to go and have takeaways everynight I would rocket up in weight. On the other end of the scale my brother is skinny and has to control his diet in order to gain weight. We're both struggling to change our weight long term but in the opposite directions yet we find it easy to change weight in the direction we don't want to go.

    Long and short of it is. The guys been presented with two options: Sit in front of TV, eat what you want, put on 2 stone, have free surgery, lose weight OR get off your lazy censored , go for a run, control what you eat, lose weight - Pretty obvious choice for someone who's lazy and likes their food!
  • ceecee Posts: 4,553
    surgery does not solve the underlying issues.

    not to make light of it....but there are generally reasons why people get to be that size in the first place. course...I don't know the ins and outs, but I would hope that therapy is included in the convalesence routine.
    Whenever I see an adult on a bicycle, I believe in the future of the human race.

    H.G. Wells.
  • Let him eat himself stupid and still don't let him have the op and refuse him all care in the meantime.
    Tail end Charlie

    The above post may contain traces of sarcasm or/and bullsh*t.
  • EKIMIKEEKIMIKE Posts: 2,232
    cee wrote:
    I don't know the ins and outs

    I do.

    Alot of food.

    Not enough exercise.

    In all seriousness though, i agree with Rick. Don't like these one off cases. Very easy targets and we don't know the full story. Although putting on weight to get the op doesn't look too good.
  • tx14tx14 Posts: 244
    Ollieda wrote:
    MattC59 wrote:
    tx14 wrote:
    MattC59 wrote:
    I saw a documentary on this a a couple of years ago. Personally I think it's disgusting.

    His consultant is quoted saying "“Darin has done everything he can."
    EXCEPT EATING LESS !!!!!

    It's very simple, if the fat f*cker consumes more calories than he expends, he'll get fat. Nothing that a bit of exercise and self discipline can't solve. :roll:

    Oh yeah......... the other problem would appear to be that his mouth is bigger than his ar*e hole, so he can cram food in faster than he can get rid of it !!

    You've got to laugh at the link below the article though
    "Win a year's supply of Ben and Jerry's ice cream"

    Surely someone was having a laugh when they put that page together :lol:

    it's simple on principle, but eating less and exercise more involves a lifestyle change, which is not easy. I'm trying to put on weight myself, I'm slightly underweight even by the most forgiving standard. and it's not as easy as just eating more. any change in weight positive or negative in the long term is difficult.
    still, it would have made so much more sense to adjust your lifestyle in the right direction. now hand over the cheese burger.
    Vey true, but a change in weight when you're close to your target is difficult, ie adding or losing those last few pounds, but when you're hugely overweight, the weight comes off a lot easier at the beginning. Surely if he put some effort into it he could bring his weight down to a manageable level which would make the lifestyle change much easier ?

    you all say he's putting in loads of effort to get bigger but is he really? The article simply quotes what he is eating at the moment, not a comparison to what he ate before. It's also taken him a year to put on a stone and a half which suggests this level of food is normal for him otherwise he would have put that weight on a lot quicker.

    Effort to change weight long term is difficult yes, but it depends on what way your body naturally goes. I am big, always have been, I have to be very careful about what I eat in order to lose / maintain weight. If I were to go and have takeaways everynight I would rocket up in weight. On the other end of the scale my brother is skinny and has to control his diet in order to gain weight. We're both struggling to change our weight long term but in the opposite directions yet we find it easy to change weight in the direction we don't want to go.

    Long and short of it is. The guys been presented with two options: Sit in front of TV, eat what you want, put on 2 stone, have free surgery, lose weight OR get off your lazy censored , go for a run, control what you eat, lose weight - Pretty obvious choice for someone who's lazy and likes their food!
    sorry for the myriad of quotes but i'm lazy.
    but consider this, in order to stay at a healthy weight after the op, he would still need to adapt to a completely different lifestyle. there is no way to evade that labour.
  • ProssPross Posts: 25,336
    Pross wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Did anyone else hear about this yesterday http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-world/2011/01/27/20st-man-piles-on-pounds-to-qualify-for-nhs-gastric-band-115875-22878167/ ?

    It seems a bizarre world that we live in when a person's answer to needing to lose weight is to put more weight on to enable them to qualify for an operation to help lose it! Surely he'd have been better off putting the same amount of effort into a low calory diet to lose weight rather than cramming even more food in and complaining to the media that it is the only way he qualifies for the op?

    It's in the mirror...

    I used that link as it was also in the Mail and I know opinions on this site aren't high on that publication :wink: It was also on Radio 5 yesterday, they had an interview with him in which he made all the comments directly. I believe the original interview may have been with a reporter from the Guardian which I believe you may hold in higher esteem :wink:

    Haha/


    Yeah, but still. 5 live is't much better. I take issue with these 1 off individual cases. We never know the context, they don't actually show anything about anything, other than how nasty journos and the public can be.


    If I saw a stat saying - 20% of all gastric band patients deliberately gain weight to get one - It'd be something worth reporting.

    I sort of agree with you Rick but my understanding in this case is that the guy brought it to the attention of the media himself trying to make himself out as a victim due to them not giving him the Op as his BMI was too low. The NHS Trust have to set some sort of policy and in this case he didn't qualify so rather than see it as a cue to lose weight without surgery he took it as a challenge to get up to the required BMI. It's a bit like an alcoholic being told his liver is still just about healthy enough not to require a transplant so drinking more! It isn't however proof that there are overweight people around the country gourging themselves to make the required BMI for a gastric band.
  • MattC59MattC59 Posts: 5,433
    It would apper that the options are; The NHs pays for a gastric band, or pays for this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12287880
    Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
    Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved
Sign In or Register to comment.