Peter Post : RIP

iainf72

I think I've just read Peter Post has passed away. One of the legendary DS's of Dutch cycling.

iainf72

Confirmed by Dan Benson on twitter.

blazing_saddles

iainf72 wrote:

I think I've just read Peter Post has passed away. One of the legendary DS's of Dutch cycling.

Very sad.
http://www.nusport.nl/wielrennen/242311 ... leden.html

andyp

Not only a legendary DS, but a rider of some talent too, whose victories included 65 Six Day races on the track, and Paris-Roubaix.

RIP Peter.

dave_1

Was just reading We Were Young and Care Free where the story of TI Raleigh's fearsome echelon formations in crosswinds appears and wondering about Post these days. Sad news today. I believe he still holds the fastest ever Paris Roubaix record

LangerDan

Sad news, though I'd imagine he's already bossing Pantani, Anquetil and VdB around on the "other side", berating them for being sh!te in echelons.

FJS

Sad news, one of the iconic directeurs sportives of the sport, and one of the most succesful ones, of the classic Alex Ferguson-style bully/fatherfigure type.

And yes, he still holds the record of the fastest Paris-Roubaix (big tailwind).

Smokin Joe

FJS wrote:

Sad news, one of the iconic directeurs sportives of the sport, and one of the most succesful ones, of the classic Alex Ferguson-style bully/fatherfigure type.

And yes, he still holds the record of the fastest Paris-Roubaix (big tailwind).

Wasn't it also a record for the fastest ever road race over 200 Km at the time? Tailwind or not, that was some going over cobbles. 29mph if my memory is correct.

andyp

Wasn't it run over a predominantly uncobbled route in the mid-60s? That edition is what led to the re-introduction of more cobbled sections to make the race more selective I think.

Or am I making this up?

bikecellar

A hard no nonsense man, too hard for some, I remember seeing him at the Wembley sixes many years ago. Another link with the past passes away.

blazing_saddles

5 minutes on PP from Dutch tv:
http://nos.nl/video/211682-post-icoon-a ... eider.html

dave_1

I remember Ligget in the 1980s, when he was fairly impartial to riders, used to speak of TI Raleigh quite admiringly. I wonder if Post's strategy makes him the father of modern cycling we see now in terms getting the team together up front to win races. Superconfex, Once, Fassa,CSC, Cipo's train, HTC's finales for Cav perhaps owe post a little thanks? I don't know if these types of really organised teams were around in the 1970s though...were they?

RichN95.

Dave_1 wrote:

I remember Ligget in the 1980s, when he was fairly impartial to riders, used to speak of TI Raleigh quite admiringly. I wonder if Post's strategy makes him the father of modern cycling we see now in terms getting the team together up front to win races. Superconfex, Once, Fassa,CSC, Cipo's train, HTC's finales for Cav perhaps owe post a little thanks? I don't know if these types of really organised teams were around in the 1970s though...were they?

Yeah, I think he's generally credited with the creation, or at least popularisation, of the sprint train.

darren H

Indeed sad news. He was a hard taskmaster
When I worked at Raleigh in the late eighties. Lots of stories about the Raleigh team.

timoid.

Passing of a true legend. RIP Keizer.

Berk Bonebonce

Sad news. But I have never really been a person who was much inspired by watching big Dutchmen banging over flat courses.

shockedsoshocked

I think Sid Barras chinned him once.

RIP

NervexProf

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frenchfighter

rick_chasey

Dave_1 wrote:

I remember Ligget in the 1980s, when he was fairly impartial to riders, used to speak of TI Raleigh quite admiringly. I wonder if Post's strategy makes him the father of modern cycling we see now in terms getting the team together up front to win races. Superconfex, Once, Fassa,CSC, Cipo's train, HTC's finales for Cav perhaps owe post a little thanks? I don't know if these types of really organised teams were around in the 1970s though...were they?

The main thing he did tactically, from what i've heard at least, was that he would decide who the team was going to ride for that day on the road, rather than on the team bus, and then do the above.

FJS

Rick Chasey wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

I remember Ligget in the 1980s, when he was fairly impartial to riders, used to speak of TI Raleigh quite admiringly. I wonder if Post's strategy makes him the father of modern cycling we see now in terms getting the team together up front to win races. Superconfex, Once, Fassa,CSC, Cipo's train, HTC's finales for Cav perhaps owe post a little thanks? I don't know if these types of really organised teams were around in the 1970s though...were they?

The main thing he did tactically, from what i've heard at least, was that he would decide who the team was going to ride for that day on the road, rather than on the team bus, and then do the above.

I think it even went a bit further - before Post/Raleigh there used to be a very strict and hierarchcal team leader - domestique division, a line that was not to be crossed, even if the domestique happened to have a better day than his leader. As far as I've heard, Post introduced the idea that any team member could win, with his teams always made up of several strong riders, blurring the domestique-leader boundaries, and opening up huge new tactical advantages

micron

That rare beast - a rider who was great on the bike and then off it as a DS - far more successful than someone like Bruyneel - was there anything Ti Raleight didn't win?

RIP the sport could do with more people like Peter Post

rick_chasey

Looking back on '60s Dutch riding shows up how poor Dutch riding is now.

dave_1

FJS wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

I remember Ligget in the 1980s, when he was fairly impartial to riders, used to speak of TI Raleigh quite admiringly. I wonder if Post's strategy makes him the father of modern cycling we see now in terms getting the team together up front to win races. Superconfex, Once, Fassa,CSC, Cipo's train, HTC's finales for Cav perhaps owe post a little thanks? I don't know if these types of really organised teams were around in the 1970s though...were they?

The main thing he did tactically, from what i've heard at least, was that he would decide who the team was going to ride for that day on the road, rather than on the team bus, and then do the above.

I think it even went a bit further - before Post/Raleigh there used to be a very strict and hierarchcal team leader - domestique division, a line that was not to be crossed, even if the domestique happened to have a better day than his leader. As far as I've heard, Post introduced the idea that any team member could win, with his teams always made up of several strong riders, blurring the domestique-leader boundaries, and opening up huge new tactical advantages

As I say, the accounts in the Fignon book is TI Raleigh were fearsome as a unit so a deserves huge credit given how many teams copy his strategy. I definitely don't think gothteeshirt2 benefited from Post at all.. IMO Post over raced Millar-85 showed how 86 and 87 should have been.

753forme

His Paris Roubaix win is something else. Won in a four up sprint at the end of a bloody hard and fast race - imagine danny stam winning it today? The guy was awesome, and must have been as hard as nails mentally. Found this video footage of him winning - appears there were some cobbles in the race. Enjoy the link
http://www.cyclingarchives.com/avfiche.php?avid=1079