Chinas new 'stealth' Jet Fighter the J-20

northernneil
northernneil Posts: 1,549
edited January 2011 in The bottom bracket
well having now seen it I am not exactly quivering for the future, its looks HUGE and would be nothing like as fast or advanced as the typhoon or F-35. It looks like wierd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_449199&v=NWhssJVlui8

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  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    It clearly hasn't been designed with dogfighting against those fighters in mind, though.

    Besides, I'm sure the Chinese can continue buying Russian fighter jets for a good while yet.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Where the chinese quivering when the US announced the B2?
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  • Crapaud
    Crapaud Posts: 2,483
    The new Chinese stealth fighter taking off ...

    Rob%20twin%20Cherbourg%20airfield.jpgphoto by Suft Matt (is he still knocking about?)
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  • Omar Little
    Omar Little Posts: 2,010
    Looks a bit of a mess - like a mixture of the f-22, f-35 and mig 31. Not convinced that the engines look particularly stealthy either.

    Big advance for the Chinese though they were about 3 generations of plane behind NATO and Russia about a decade ago, they are catching up fast.
  • deptfordmarmoset
    deptfordmarmoset Posts: 3,118
    Crapaud wrote:
    The new Chinese stealth fighter taking off ...

    Rob%20twin%20Cherbourg%20airfield.jpgphoto by Suft Matt (is he still knocking about?)

    It's really impressive the way it blends in with the background...
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  • fleshtuxedo
    fleshtuxedo Posts: 1,858
    The F35 is just a rebranded J20 for a quarter of the price. I heard it on jetfightingforum.net.
  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    If it has the same build quality as Chinese motorbikes then I pity the poor sod that has to risk his life by taking it into the air.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    verylonglegs wrote:
    If it has the same build quality as Chinese motorbikes then I pity the poor sod that has to risk his life by taking it into the air.

    Yeah. Combat pilots never risk their life when they take their combat plane into the air.

    :P
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  • mrushton
    mrushton Posts: 5,182
    Doesn't matter how big it is if it's radar reflection is v.low (B2 is a big aircraft).If it works it can deliver standoff weapons nearer the target and then escape. Saying it doesn't work also means nothing. The Russians built the Foxbat(?) that was a Mach 2.5 strike aircraft and it's avionics used valve technology. The Americans believed it was obsolete technology until they saw that.

    Saying it's badly made? Have you seen it close up and are you an airframe designer? Look at all the stuff that China now makes - that works. They've got scientists out around the world studying technology/medicine/banking etc. They have a large defence spend from their GDP. Might not be Lockheed or BAE but if it works......
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  • Chip \'oyler
    Chip \'oyler Posts: 2,323
    Probably mass produced in a mould. Give me a handbuilt Italian fighter anyday :lol:
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  • stampedingturtle
    stampedingturtle Posts: 5
    Does anyone have it's SKU on DealExtreme?
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  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    verylonglegs wrote:
    If it has the same build quality as Chinese motorbikes then I pity the poor sod that has to risk his life by taking it into the air.

    Yeah. Combat pilots never risk their life when they take their combat plane into the air.

    :P

    ha, very true...but it's still one more risk too many for me!
  • snailracer
    snailracer Posts: 968
    johnfinch wrote:
    It clearly hasn't been designed with dogfighting against those fighters in mind, though...
    +1
    It's job is to down the AEWACs support aircraft - without their powerful long-range radar emitters illuminating the skies from behind the front lines, the F22's passive radar is ineffective.
  • Zombie_donkey
    Zombie_donkey Posts: 359
    That is highly advanced stealth.

    As you can see from the video it's stealth capability is actually it's ability to generate a thick fog for miles around so people can't see it coming.

    I'm off to learn Chinese so I can grovel to our future new overlords in their own language.
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    Gav888 Posts: 946
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAuosIsqwXE

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  • Lagavulin
    Lagavulin Posts: 1,688
    Looks large enough to more like a fighter-bomber/strike fighter than air superiority like the J-10.
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  • pottssteve
    pottssteve Posts: 4,069
    It's good to see that the air quality has improved in China.

    I notice they've painted it brown to blend in with the atmosphere.... :lol:
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  • snailracer
    snailracer Posts: 968
    Lagavulin wrote:
    Looks large enough to more like a fighter-bomber/strike fighter than air superiority like the J-10.
    Or a long-range interdiction fighter: it would need to be able to carry enough fuel to reach and loiter for the opposing AEWACS, which would be far behind the front lines.
  • Lagavulin
    Lagavulin Posts: 1,688
    Hmm, not sure whether I want to go out on the bike or go dig my Sidewinder 2 FF out and re-install Falcon 4.0 now. :lol:
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  • Omar Little
    Omar Little Posts: 2,010
    Didnt realise just how big it is, here is a comparision shot vrbih2.jpg

    Anti carrier role perhaps
  • EKIMIKE
    EKIMIKE Posts: 2,232
    Nah it's just that Chinese people are small. :lol: :roll:

    Look they even have a minature van.

    Anyway, mildly racist stereotypes aside, i have no idea about planes but it'll be interesting to see if China begins to develop it's own industry for this sort of thing. Could be a little scary but it's only fair game considering how militarised the US are.
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  • dodgy
    dodgy Posts: 2,890
    mrushton wrote:
    Saying it's badly made? Have you seen it close up and are you an airframe designer? Look at all the stuff that China now makes - that works. They've got scientists out around the world studying technology/medicine/banking etc. They have a large defence spend from their GDP. Might not be Lockheed or BAE but if it works......

    Large defence spend? France and UK combined spend more.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SRyG6UR2A :lol:
  • neiltb
    neiltb Posts: 332
    but in UK we don't pay peanuts. if labour cost is part of spend.
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  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    mrushton wrote:
    Saying it's badly made? Have you seen it close up and are you an airframe designer? Look at all the stuff that China now makes - that works. They've got scientists out around the world studying technology/medicine/banking etc. They have a large defence spend from their GDP. Might not be Lockheed or BAE but if it works......

    It was a slightly tongue in cheek remark regarding the aircraft but with regards to some consumer products that come out of China they still have a long way to go. I used the motorbike example due to the experience of watching a colleague at work taking ownership of one that barely lasted a year..it was appaling in terms of quality. No doubt they will catch up at some point however.
  • snailracer
    snailracer Posts: 968
    verylonglegs wrote:
    mrushton wrote:
    Saying it's badly made? Have you seen it close up and are you an airframe designer? Look at all the stuff that China now makes - that works. They've got scientists out around the world studying technology/medicine/banking etc. They have a large defence spend from their GDP. Might not be Lockheed or BAE but if it works......

    It was a slightly tongue in cheek remark regarding the aircraft but with regards to some consumer products that come out of China they still have a long way to go. I used the motorbike example due to the experience of watching a colleague at work taking ownership of one that barely lasted a year..it was appaling in terms of quality. No doubt they will catch up at some point however.
    However, if you had picked iPhones as your example, Made in PRC would be rated excellent quality.
  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    snailracer wrote:
    verylonglegs wrote:
    mrushton wrote:
    Saying it's badly made? Have you seen it close up and are you an airframe designer? Look at all the stuff that China now makes - that works. They've got scientists out around the world studying technology/medicine/banking etc. They have a large defence spend from their GDP. Might not be Lockheed or BAE but if it works......

    It was a slightly tongue in cheek remark regarding the aircraft but with regards to some consumer products that come out of China they still have a long way to go. I used the motorbike example due to the experience of watching a colleague at work taking ownership of one that barely lasted a year..it was appaling in terms of quality. No doubt they will catch up at some point however.
    However, if you had picked iPhones as your example, Made in PRC would be rated excellent quality.

    Not strictly a Chinese product however is it? It may be assembled there but it would probably be safe to say it doesn't use local design and QA knowledge. After all, BMW have a car factory in China don't they?
  • snailracer
    snailracer Posts: 968
    verylonglegs wrote:
    snailracer wrote:
    verylonglegs wrote:
    mrushton wrote:
    Saying it's badly made? Have you seen it close up and are you an airframe designer? Look at all the stuff that China now makes - that works. They've got scientists out around the world studying technology/medicine/banking etc. They have a large defence spend from their GDP. Might not be Lockheed or BAE but if it works......

    It was a slightly tongue in cheek remark regarding the aircraft but with regards to some consumer products that come out of China they still have a long way to go. I used the motorbike example due to the experience of watching a colleague at work taking ownership of one that barely lasted a year..it was appaling in terms of quality. No doubt they will catch up at some point however.
    However, if you had picked iPhones as your example, Made in PRC would be rated excellent quality.

    Not strictly a Chinese product however is it? It may be assembled there but it would probably be safe to say it doesn't use local design and QA knowledge. After all, BMW have a car factory in China don't they?
    Good point, but as a electronic design engineer myself, I would say that manufacturing a mass-produced quality article is considerably harder than designing it. It’s easy to specify the finest materials, the most elaborate machining and the most complex assembly sequence – on paper. Actually doing it is more difficult.

    I would be surprised if your colleague’s motorcycle was designed in China – it’s probably from an old Japanese or British blueprint. And the Chinese stealth plane is probably lifted from an American blueprint :wink:
  • Squillinossett
    Squillinossett Posts: 1,678
    Im not building a bunker as a result, put it that way.
  • GiantMike
    GiantMike Posts: 3,139
    Obviously lots of aerospace engineers/designers and radar specialists here!

    The Chinese are very secretive about what they produce. The Americans are very boastful.

    How good is the B2? The Americans will tell you it's great. Does anybody have unclassified data to back up these claims?

    Having worked in Fighter Aviation for the last 14 years I wouldn't trust either manufacturers' or operators' claims about their products.

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