Hope's wheel building machine
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That is cool, nice to see where my wheels were 'born'
Falcon Sierra - 80's
Muddy Fox Courier - 80's
GT Palomar 90's
GT Zaskar LE - 90's
Cannondale k v 900 90's
Santa Cruz Bullit - now
Orange Evo 8 STOLEN 26/09/10
Orange P7 Pro
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El Capitano wrote:*Cough*handbuilt wheels FTW!*Cough*
That's a pretty cool machine though...
Indeed.
If they're not built by a man, with a beard, in a shed, using smugness as his only tool, I'm not buying them.
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Also become les of a fan of hope hubs recently.
House mate has trashed several, snapping axles, flanges freehub bodies and so on, we can say Hopes warrenty service is second to none, fast and no questions asked but really we don't want to know that they should just work.
Plus hairy smug wheel builder guy every time!0 -
so now we dont like hope hoops cause they are machine built. i like that.
i find it odd that we like machine welded frames, as machines can be trusted to make perfect welds, day in day out no matter what but we dont like a machine building our wheels :?0 -
sheepsteeth wrote:so now we dont like hope hoops cause they are machine built. i like that.
i find it odd that we like machine welded frames, as machines can be trusted to make perfect welds, day in day out no matter what but we dont like a machine building our wheels :?
At least one of my frames wasn't built by a machine. Not sure if the guy had a beard, but with a 50 year guarantee on his workmaship, I'd say it was built with a rather large amount of smugness...0 -
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Machine tensioners don't always compensate for spoke twist, nor stress relieve - but most top end machine built wheels are hand checked afterwards.
Unfortunate on lower end bikes they aren't, so the wheel can be poorly built.0 -
aaah fair one.
my rovals came with a check sheet showing the tolerances after they had been hand checked. you'd blinkin well hope so for the money they should have cost too!0 -
I remember a story of a well known online retailer who I shall not name (CRC) who sent a wheel to a customer with a spoke missing! The machine had dropped a spoke, then tried to compensate when tensioning lol. So much for that been handchecked lol.0
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I had my Hope Hoops checked over by wheelpro before they were sent out, didn't really cost noticably more than usual. Course I have no idea if Roger actually made any changes or not but it's a seriously nice build. I do always laugh when magazines comment on the quality of a build, you know it's just possible that they took a little extra care with the ones they send to magazines
supersonic wrote:a well known online retailer who I shall not name (CRC)
Nice Uncompromising extremist0 -
Northwind wrote:I do always laugh when magazines comment on the quality of a build, you know it's just possible that they took a little extra care with the ones they send to magazines
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Ah, but sometimes we buy them direct from the shops ;-)0
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I'd asked Roger to do me some just as he was getting out of the building side and he told me they don't require much if at all.0
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ive had loads of machine built wheels, all of which were just dandy, i couldnt tell the difference except for having to pedal a bit harder seeing as the wheels arent powered by hippy nonsensical rubbish (which also costs more)0
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CraigXXL wrote:I'd asked Roger to do me some just as he was getting out of the building side and he told me they don't require much if at all.
Yup, that's the impression I got too. Though I did cause him to emo-rage mightily on STW when I asked them if they thought I might be paying money for something that wasn't needed Good times. I do seem to be good at unintentional trolling. Uncompromising extremist0 -
Worth mentioning that the many machines are programmed to mass produce wheels - it is much quicker for a machine build a wheel not to the best tension and alignment. As tension increases, adjustments become harder to predict, take longer and spoke wind up creeps in. Machines can be programmed to resist this, and some machines even stress relieve. But not cost effective for some.
As Jobst Brant says:A durable wheel can be made from a machine built wheel if the time is
taken that the machine did not.
Spoke locking compounds were inevented for poorly built wheels.0 -
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To be honest, I've had no problems with any wheels, machine or hand built for ages. I do remember when getting wheels built by CRC meant sitting for a couple of hours with a spoke key before they were what I would consider to be acceptable, but the last few I've had have been pretty damn good.
I still prefer to build my own though, and trust them more when I do.0 -
Damn, I was expecting to see a line of minimum wage workers from China with little hands do it manually0
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Hmm i have had a few hand built and some machine built wheels,
Allthe machine built wheels have lost goood tension in a month or two and had to be hand retensioned from which they lasted a good year or two before needing looking at retensioning.0 -
TBF, the wheels that I've been racing on since 2006 came from CRC - Hope XC Hubs, DT Swiss DB spokes and Mavic XC717 rims. Only maintenance I've had to do to them is replace the rear hub bearings and freehub. Wheels are still true and there's no issues with the spoke tension.
My new wheels however were built by a chap called Andy.0 -
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sheepsteeth wrote:he sounds like a twazzock.
Not the Andy (who is a twazzock) of here, another Andy. That said, I've not seen them together in the same room, so could well be the same person.0 -
my brother is called andy, he is a complete pillock, to that end its how i feel about all andys.0
