The generation blame.

rick_chasey

*I blame boomers*

*We all blame boomers*.

Goes somethng along the lines of "stop protecting your own interest, and start protecting the interest of the future generation".

Any of you oldies feeling the blame? Or is there a sob story that makes you the exception to the rule? Any of your children in the latter adolescence getting angry with your generation?

Are you yourself angry with the generation who had it all, and spunked it all flat screen TVs and conservatory extensions?

I've finished my work quicker than my boss expects and he's pretending to be busy in meetings, so I am bored!

daviesee

My answer - no.

Everybody blames someone else and I have no guilt conscious.

Someone will be blaming you in the future. Can you handle it? Well, can you? :twisted:

rick_chasey

daviesee wrote:

My answer - no.

Everybody blames someone else and I have no guilt conscious.

Someone will be blaming you in the future. Can you handle it? Well, can you? :twisted:

Pfft. I've got my excuse lined up already.

I'm a shining beacon of all that is good and holy about the world anyway, so there won't be anything to blame me for :twisted:

daviesee

All good and holy?
In which case, why would you need an excuse?

Me - No full time Uni, no sponging, no debt, no crime, tax payer, no guilt.

bompington

It was a bit selfish of all the baby boomers to be born into such times, they should have had a bit more consideration and forethought.

rick_chasey

daviesee wrote:

Me - No full time Uni, no sponging, no debt, no crime, tax payer, no guilt.

Let me guess, a hard working tax payer too?

rick_chasey

bompington wrote:

It was a bit selfish of all the baby boomers to be born into such times, they should have had a bit more consideration and forethought.

Absolutely. Outrageous behaviour.

daviesee

Rick Chasey wrote:

daviesee wrote:

Me - No full time Uni, no sponging, no debt, no crime, tax payer, no guilt.

Let me guess, a hard working tax payer too?

Not that hard. Wouldn't have time to be here otherwise, would I?

rick_chasey

daviesee wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

daviesee wrote:

Me - No full time Uni, no sponging, no debt, no crime, tax payer, no guilt.

Let me guess, a hard working tax payer too?

Not that hard. Wouldn't have time to be here otherwise, would I?

Haha, excellent.

Stewie Griffin

I dont have any kids so its nothing to do with me guvna.

cal_stewart

i think you would be silly not to. long term they will have more to spend

tebbit

I blame the kittens (cos thy're small and can't fight back)

ellieb

Put it this way.. If someone said to you now that tax rates had to be at 80% and that private motor vehicles & flying had to be banned would you accept it? That is what might be necessary for the generation that follows. Who knows? Every generation does what it feels to be necessary at the time, Sometimes they are wrong.
I can think of a few examples from history where one generation might feel far more aggrieved by a previous generations actions. How about those who had to fight in WW1 thanks to the bellicose jingoism of the late Victorian/Edwardian era.

EKIMIKE

To be honest Rick, i think alot of my/our generation have the accentuated habits of their parents. A life of excess.

Maybe the coming year will be a kick in the teeth? We need one at some point considering the banking crisis didn't really have the desired effect. Or rather the kick in the teeth is turning out to be rather long and protracted.

Anonymous

Another stereotypical diatribe from Teagar. Yawn (only kidding, Rick, muchas smoochies).

Mind you, gives me something to moan about.

StillGoing

Chip + shoulder = (insert name here)

We all have the same opportunities in life, it's only our safety mechanisms that prevent us becoming Alan Sugar. 20 years ago I could have invested £10k in NEXT, but thinking I'd just lose the money gambling in stocks and shares bought another R1 instead. An acquaintence who took the plunge cashed in last year to the tune of £450k for the same investment. Does that make him an unthinking greed merchant who has ruined the country or is it really just that I didn't have the bollox to take the risk. If you genuinely believe it's his fault that he's been fortunate enough to prosper from his investment then there's a commune ready to take you in somewhere.

Life's a gamble; some of us win, some of us lose, some of us don't play with the other boys and girls because we get jealous too easily.

Bozman

I blame the Benefit Generation, money for nothing: has created a dependant generation with no drive or want to succeed in life and it was all created by labour.

rick_chasey

So no-one thinks the writer of said articles has a point?

Or the Adam Smith institute?


And frank - not having children doesn't exempt you!

MattC59

I work hard, I've paid off my debts (mortgage excluded).
I have a nice flat screen tv, several bikes, a kit car in the garage, etc etc. All of which I've paid for through my own hard work. To be honest, what I do with my money is up to me. Of course I'm going to safeguard my own interests.

Sounds like the writer of the article has a bit of a chip on his shoulder !

daviesee

From the first article:-

"However, property owners and savers are behaving in a way that undermines the UK's economic progress. We need a government that refuses to pander to their fears. We need a government that takes their money and invests for everyone's future."

I think we can come to conclusions over the writer's political views.

In all my years of being under this Countries Governments, of both main parties, it is my view that they don't have a clue. Giving them MY money to decide what do with it does not appeal one iota.

rick_chasey

daviesee wrote:

From the first article:-

"However, property owners and savers are behaving in a way that undermines the UK's economic progress. We need a government that refuses to pander to their fears. We need a government that takes their money and invests for everyone's future."

I think we can come to conclusions over the writer's political views.

In all my years of being under this Countries Governments, of both main parties, it is my view that they don't have a clue. Giving them MY money to decide what do with it does not appeal one iota.

You do that every time you pay tax don't you?

owenlars

ellieb wrote:

How about those who had to fight in WW1 thanks to the bellicose jingoism of the late Victorian/Edwardian era.

And how about those who had to fight in WW2 because of the peace treaty negotiated at the end of WW1 and all those who were born during the period of rationing and austerity that followed WW2?

rick_chasey

owenlars wrote:

ellieb wrote:

How about those who had to fight in WW1 thanks to the bellicose jingoism of the late Victorian/Edwardian era.

And how about those who had to fight in WW2 because of the peace treaty negotiated at the end of WW1 and all those who were born during the period of rationing and austerity that followed WW2?

Firstly, the last lot are baby boomers...

2ndly, the issue is that it was through greediness of a particular demographic, i.e. the boomer demographic, that has caused many of the economic issues of the moment.

Too much leverage, too much property speculation, and it's all biting the new generation's ass, not theirs.

At least the War stuff was ideological, fighting for something. This screw up is just excessive economic aspirationalism from a significant proportion of the population, usually within the boomer age bracket. They're the demographic who have all the cash right now, the property purchasing and owning power (all all the NIMBY housing politics that goes with it).

They got free university, free healthcare, excellent pensions, and are able to retire with a pension that will probably have to keep paying out for 30 odd years past retirement.

And who foots the bill? Over the next 10-15 years it will be the generations below.

Cressers

I blame the scapegoats.

ellieb

At least the War stuff was ideological, fighting for something

Really/ What were they fighting for in WW1? Serbia I seem to recall

One generation does something, the next has to live with the consequences, good or bad.
The previuos generation just has to live with the whining if the situation is going downhill.

rick_chasey

ellieb wrote:

At least the War stuff was ideological, fighting for something

Really/ What were they fighting for in WW1? Serbia I seem to recall

One generation does something, the next has to live with the consequences, good or bad.
The previuos generation just has to live with the whining if the situation is going downhill.

I consider blind nationalism to be ideological.

jgsi

Rick Chasey wrote:

owenlars wrote:

ellieb wrote:

How about those who had to fight in WW1 thanks to the bellicose jingoism of the late Victorian/Edwardian era.

And how about those who had to fight in WW2 because of the peace treaty negotiated at the end of WW1 and all those who were born during the period of rationing and austerity that followed WW2?

Firstly, the last lot are baby boomers...

2ndly, the issue is that it was through greediness of a particular demographic, i.e. the boomer demographic, that has caused many of the economic issues of the moment.

Too much leverage, too much property speculation, and it's all biting the new generation's ass, not theirs.

At least the War stuff was ideological, fighting for something. This screw up is just excessive economic aspirationalism from a significant proportion of the population, usually within the boomer age bracket. They're the demographic who have all the cash right now, the property purchasing and owning power (all all the NIMBY housing politics that goes with it).

They got free university, free healthcare, excellent pensions, and are able to retire with a pension that will probably have to keep paying out for 30 odd years past retirement.

And who foots the bill? Over the next 10-15 years it will be the generations below.

Are you seriously saying it is all the fault of those born between 1945 and 1955?
I dont know what age you are but I am sure either your parents or your grandparents are well proud of your views. :shock:

bails87

Bozman wrote:

I blame the Benefit Generation, money for nothing: has created a dependant generation with no drive or want to succeed in life and it was all created by labour.

Which generation would this be? :?

plowmar

I class myself as a babyboomer - born 1950- got the shove 5 years ago but was old enough to take early retirement with company pension of £800 pm. House will be paid for by i'm 66 - new extended state pension age.

But do not know what I am going to spend all the money I'll have on.

The money money era was the 80's - not baby boomers - that was when house prices increased extortionately and were looked on as 'investment', and the seeds were sown for the current crisis.

When I started work the highest tax rate was 97.5% and Bank's had to restrict lending/investment to a low multiple of their credit balances i.e our savings and investments. Things balanced.

Yes i feel sorry for youngsters now re house buying etc, but what can I do ?. I can't even borrow more to help my Daughter as I cannot repay the extra.

This is not a whinge although it may sound like it, just a statement of current facts.
As with all generations there is a mixture in the baby boomers some did well the majority did not.

ellieb

I consider blind nationalism to be ideological.

& what the boomers did was ideological: They believed that what they were doing was going to make society better for everyone.

rick_chasey

ellieb wrote:

I consider blind nationalism to be ideological.

& what the boomers did was ideological: They believed that what they were doing was going to make society better for everyone.

No, that's the point.

It's what benefits the individual. It makes sense to block building new housing because it will reduce your house price, for example.

There's a short sightedness. It even bled into the tuition fee debate. "I don't want to pay for them blah blah, they can pay for themselves blah blah".