Gerry Raffert RIP!

Raymondavalon
Raymondavalon Posts: 5,346
edited January 2011 in The Crudcatcher
Gerry Rafferty passed away yesterday (it's after midnight) [No reference to JJ Cale there]
A sad loss to one of Scotland's finest musical talents..

Story on on BBC News Site
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  • djrock
    djrock Posts: 66
    :o
    RIP
    :cry:
  • Holyzeus
    Holyzeus Posts: 354
    Mick Karn passed away yesterday too, a sad time
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  • blister pus
    blister pus Posts: 5,610
    Captain Beefheart the other week too. :(
  • projectsome
    projectsome Posts: 4,010
    As did Lieutenant-Colonel Tony Gardiner, Keith Faulkner, and John Alldis.
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  • blister pus
    blister pus Posts: 5,610
    true, except i didn't listen to any of those growing up and they didn't make their name in modern rock music and the wider public didn't have a particular affinity for them.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    blister pus wrote:
    true, except i didn't listen to any of those growing up and they didn't make their name in modern rock music and the wider public didn't have a particular affinity for them.
    Are any of those things true about Beefheart, really?
  • blister pus
    blister pus Posts: 5,610
    Beefheart was well before your time, before mine really, but I got him. Looking at the people who tipped their cap his way when he died, most definitely. Grateful Dead, Jethro Tull, Hawkwind, Husker Du, Pere Ubu the list went on. An original rough cut diamond who paved the way. The world's a poorer more boring place without people like that thas for sure.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    I get that people were a fan of Beefheart, but he in no way changed music. Most of it was just nonsense, frankly.
  • blister pus
    blister pus Posts: 5,610
    Except if you do things differently you are changing music by definition and if people start copying you then you're influencing the music scene at that particular, or any other, time in history. Which is exactly what he did.

    The guy was actually a talented blues artist with an original sound in his own right
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    No, Beefheart played terrible music, but played it very well. Nobody copied him.
    Nobody thought "hey, he's right, let's scrap all the musical rules, we don't need all this major and minor chord nonsense, it doesn't matter what we play"

    We still have the same concepts of harmony and melody as we did before, he changed nothing.
  • blister pus
    blister pus Posts: 5,610
    Well the first part isn't true because he was a consummate musician in his own right and Frank Zappa admits to copying him.

    The second part isn't true because people liked what he did and did it after him, also called copying and influencing (nothing wrong with that it's how we learn).

    The first part of the last bit is totally correct.

    The last bit wrong because by changing another musicians take on things and influencing you are changing the direction music takes at any given time.

    But I do stress what you did get right is spot on.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    Load of twaddle. He and Frank worked together frequently and had a love/hate thing going on. Both were doing similar things, and were arguably copying off each other, or feeding off each other.

    Neither of them changed the concept of music, not one iota. Both have plenty of adoring fans who will argue blind that they did though (funny that).

    Both did more crap than good. But again, their hardcore fans will argue otherwise.
  • blister pus
    blister pus Posts: 5,610
    I'm not really a fan, fan I grew up with punk music but developed an appreciation for what was around me and where things came from and how things developed. You seriously need to bone up on early 60s and 70s instead of letting your prejudice and dislike of certain types of music get in the way.

    I know you like to argue with anything and anybody irrespective of whether you're right or wrong and it's kind of cute in a 14 year old rebellious way but outside of that you're really just being a vexatious small minded 'tard for the sake of it.

    And it's not really the right type of thread to start being a wanker on either.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    blister pus wrote:
    You seriously need to bone up on early 60s and 70s instead of letting your prejudice and dislike of certain types of music get in the way.

    I know you like to argue with anything and anybody irrespective of whether you're right or wrong and it's kind of cute in a 14 year old rebellious way but outside of that you're really just being a vexatious small minded 'tard for the sake of it.

    And it's not really the right type of thread to start being a wanker on either.
    Right. I think you need to clue up a bit as well, instead of being a dickwad.
    I actually am a fan of Beefheart's more accesible stuff, and Zappa's, and lament the loss of an original thinker, no matter how weird his ideas were.
    But still, most of Beefheart's work was just weird, and had no real "good" qualities apart from being different.
    In some cases it was intentionally "wrong", or opposed to standard musical theory, it was written to be discordant. Hell, the guy practically imprisoned musicians and forced them to unlearn how to play.

    So before you make any grandiose comments about how he changed the music world forever, I fear it's probably YOU that needs to look into it a bit more.

    Had the world not seen Beefheart, it would be a slightly more depressing, dour place. But nothing else would have changed.
  • blister pus
    blister pus Posts: 5,610
    yeah yeah yeah, look there is no point in this as i can't stand you at the best of times and just have no desire to waste time communicating with you. So it's just not worth it for either of us.
  • blister pus
    blister pus Posts: 5,610
    blister pus wrote:
    yeah yeah yeah, look there is no point in this as i can't stand you at the best of times and just have no desire to waste time communicating with you. So it's just not worth it for either of us.

    right. I've got the lock ring off now. slight overkill that. Apologies, ym.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    blister pus wrote:
    blister pus wrote:
    yeah yeah yeah, look there is no point in this as i can't stand you at the best of times and just have no desire to waste time communicating with you. So it's just not worth it for either of us.

    right. I've got the lock ring off now. slight overkill that. Apologies, ym.
    Frankly you can stuff you apologies where the sun don't shine.
  • blister pus
    blister pus Posts: 5,610
    fair enough. nothing lost either side.
  • cooldad
    cooldad Posts: 32,599
    RIP Gerry Rafferty degenerates into a slugfest. You two must be the Irish relations that get drunk at the wedding, puke on the bride and beat up the groom.
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  • sheepsteeth
    sheepsteeth Posts: 17,418
    ive never heard of the dead jerry rafferty but i did know a military man called jerry rafferty, he was a complete cheesewand.

    hope this helps.
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