Security locks bike

jeremyrundle

I have one of these now, following the review here (Trelock Motorrad MS650) it only received half a star in the ratings, I can only assume Bike Radar put this low because of the weight, the lock is just about the best I have ever seen and used, and I have seen and used many, it has to be seen to be believed.

Anyone looking for a lock that needs an angle grinder to remove it get this as nothing else will touch it.

Berk Bonebonce

I bought a fancy lock for my front door and thought I would read up on its merits on the Internet. Saw a YouTube clip of a guy picking one in 12 seconds.

jeremyrundle

Berk Bonebonce wrote:

I bought a fancy lock for my front door and thought I would read up on its merits on the Internet. Saw a YouTube clip of a guy picking one in 12 seconds.

The difference is this is a motorcycle lock

http://www.trelock.de/web/en/produkte/m ... MP_650.php

You will NOt cust it with croppers and it curls up for my handlebar bag.

rolf_f

jeremyrundle wrote:

I have one of these now, following the review here (Trelock Motorrad MS650) it only received half a star in the ratings, I can only assume Bike Radar put this low because of the weight, the lock is just about the best I have ever seen and used, and I have seen and used many, it has to be seen to be believed.

Anyone looking for a lock that needs an angle grinder to remove it get this as nothing else will touch it.

The half star is probably an error - it might be madly heavy to carry with you but they didn't seem to find any other fault in it so it sounds very good as a 'leave it in one location' type lock.

fossyant

Hold on, it's just a cable lock with a flexible metal sleeve.......... therefore = RUBBISH....... a bolt cropper will go through that in seconds.

Heavy duty D lock is what you need ! Top end ABUS or a New York Fagh

jeremyrundle

fossyant wrote:

Hold on, it's just a cable lock with a flexible metal sleeve.......... therefore = RUBBISH....... a bolt cropper will go through that in seconds.

Heavy duty D lock is what you need ! Top end ABUS or a New York Fagh

Before you wrote the above did you bother to read the review by bike radar on the MOTORCYCLE cable, I suggest you do, or, perhaps you also believe them to be wrong as are motorcycle reviews.

http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/ ... s650-16463

Trelock have had a reputation in previous tests for building tough locks. This new MS650 is aimed at both the bicycle and motorcycle market and it is plenty tough enough for both. The double-locking mechanism is heavily armoured and the lock mechanism can freely rotate between the armoured casing making it tricky to attack the barrel directly.

In our first test the MS650 sailed through with mere cosmetic damage and despite our cropping, hammering and battering, still worked perfectly well after the full five minutes of abuse. In test two we brought out the big guns - power tools - and the MS650 took 34sec of full power cutting before we got through the armoured case and split the inner cable. We'd recommend this to anyone looking for the convenience of a cable - it is among the toughest cables we've seen - the downside is the 2kg+ weight.

Though unlike where you live I rarely see people walking around Tavistock with extension leads and angle grinders.

sungod

it'll deter the casual pikey, but there are plenty of portable angle grinders out there, in london the thieving scumbags turn up in vans with tools, cut, load, and drive away

a cable lock won't survive, nor will a d-lock

most people won't pay any attention while someone does it

i've got a xena lock with an alarm, if i'm not there to hear it i doubt anyone else will care, but i figure maybe the thief will give up and scarper...

http://www.xenasecurity.com/product/bul ... 10S/page1/

...far tougher than the kryptonite ones, but heavy, so sometimes i use the biggest abus cable (1050) which looks similar to the trelock

Drayk

Anyone know much about these kabrus alarmed bike locks??
Look pretty good, £25 on amazon.
Look quite narrow though.




http://www.kabrus.co.uk/xl202.html

djrock

I would not use it on its own for a motorbike if I wanted to keep it! Same for my mtb. The review does not go into details like what size of croppers they were using. Did they have a set of new or used jaws fitted? Since it does make a big difference in cutting braided cable. Did they try twisting it to pop open a joint to get to the braided cable? Did they try cable cutters?

For the money they are much better locks out there that will give much more of a fight than this. Its better than just a cable lock but must be accompanied by say a dlock.

jeremyrundle wrote:

Though unlike where you live I rarely see people walking around Tavistock with extension leads and angle grinders.

What about battery powered angle grinders?

jeremyrundle

Drayk wrote:

Anyone know much about these kabrus alarmed bike locks??
Look pretty good, £25 on amazon.
Look quite narrow though.




http://www.kabrus.co.uk/xl202.html

We are talking £80 plus for locks here so do "you" think a £20 one is any good :!: I look at it this way, if its £25, after profit for both the retailer and manufacturere how much did it cost to make £5.

jeremyrundle

djrock wrote:

I would not use it on its own for a motorbike if I wanted to keep it! Same for my mtb. The review does not go into details like what size of croppers they were using. Did they have a set of new or used jaws fitted? Since it does make a big difference in cutting braided cable. Did they try twisting it to pop open a joint to get to the braided cable? Did they try cable cutters?

jeremyrundle wrote:

Though unlike where you live I rarely see people walking around Tavistock with extension leads and angle grinders.

What about battery powered angle grinders?

Sorry I disagree, in fact you contradict yourself, you state that a determined thief will get what he wants so there is no point to a lock is there, you have to weigh up the situation, where, when, in view, not in view and decide from there. Even D locks cut. Bike Radar say this lock is not cropable but will cut, there are D locks you can crop. As I would rather gnaw off my own feet than live in London or anywhere like it I have to consider what is best for the area I live in.

Also whilst no review is perfect I would think they thought of the fundimentals you talk of,.

djrock

I don't think there is any lock that will stand up to an angle grinder. But this attack is noisy! Yes a determined thief will get it but decent locks can make the different between them trying to take it or moving on to the next bike with crap locks. Decent locks just make it that more difficult to take it. The more time the thief has to work at it the more people might start to notice them.

Just because Bike Radar say it can't be cropped does not mean it can't be!!! As I said above it can depend on what condition the croppers jaws are in and also the size of croppers used. For example used jaws can crush braided cable and not cut it but brand new jaws usually can. Also there can be a big different between cheap croppers and a good maker, on what diameter and hardness of metal they can cut.

Yes dlocks can be cropped but it depends on the diameter of them. You can crop 13mm easy but when you get to 16mm or 19 mm it starts to get difficult or you can't crop it.

Yes the area you live in can determine what locks you choose and also what the value of the bike is.

Every type of lock has it weaknesses.

djrock

jeremyrundle

Oh don't get me wrong in fact I also agree.

You are right no lock is uncropable (is there a word), and in fact bikeradar got it totally wrong with one specific review..Abus Steeloflex Granit 1000. They gave one lock 5* and a top rating, it was cut in seconds on that utube site I never watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFaLmVqQibo

However it is horses for courses, here in Tavistock you could probably leave your bike by the cafe and go shopping never locking it, do that in Manchester etc......

If I were to visit Bristol say, I would lock it outside a well used outdoor seating cafe with two strong D locks, but the lock I have got is cable, so can be carried easier, it is superb heavy duty (you need to see one of them to understand), it is NOTHING at all like the Magnum plus type where you can get between the steel rings, on this it is impossible.

A personal choice, and as you say NOTHING is 100%, just spend as much as you can, or can carry.

spen666

jeremy, you seem to be over defensive about this product from criticism. Anyone could easily think you had some connection to the product

rolf_f

spen666 wrote:

jeremy, you seem to be over defensive about this product from criticism. Anyone could easily think you had some connection to the product

Ooohhhhh, conspiracy theory! How exciting ....... Or possibly there are others posting here that, if you are prone to falling for conspiracy theorys, are overly offensive about this product. Anyone might easily think they had some connection to competitors to the product. After all, the OP has merely bought a product based on a good review here on Bikeradar. It isn't as though he has misrepresented the product as at least one other poster on this thread has.

jeremyrundle

spen666 wrote:

jeremy, you seem to be over defensive about this product from criticism. Anyone could easily think you had some connection to the product

Poor individual, amazing that you can not have an opinion unless it pleases others.

"Don't write on this forum unles your opinion is totally, 100% middle of the road, on the fence"........

Also Spen666 consider this, I wanted a new lock for my new £1.5k bike, like most I only have reviews to look at, I "read" the full review of the lock which was GOOD, but it only had 1/2*, I bought the lock, it is superb, had I simply looked at the single HALF star I would not have bought it, I am simply informing others I believe the review was wrong, Duh, why on earth would you deduce from that, that I may be employed by the company, I drive a great Renault grand Scenic bought new by me, I don't work for Renault but I say it is a good car :roll:

If you care my cycling page on my sons website you would get a better idea. I do have connections here I published the book Ancient Lights and designed two of the maps etc. And this is not a business we are simply friends of Patricks.

www.sirpatrickmooresales.co.uk