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Valy
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Why are there no things like stiffness (like flex in mms vs force) of wheels, frames etc included with reviews?
It would certainly give more merit, as most of the time, there is not anything more to go by than weight of the item.
It would certainly give more merit, as most of the time, there is not anything more to go by than weight of the item.
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I get a bike mag from Australia ('Ride') and the reviews always include test jig data where measurement of flex at certain points at a given weight is provided. Every review also includes a breakdown of the weight of the bike into frameset, wheels, components, groupset, etc. (cue nice pie chart), plus each bike is completely stripped down and build quality, assembly quality, finish all assessed. Makes for very informative reading (even for someone not very technical like me).Valy wrote:Why are there no things like stiffness (like flex in mms vs force) of wheels, frames etc included with reviews?
It would certainly give more merit, as most of the time, there is not anything more to go by than weight of the item.0 -
Valy wrote:Why are there no things like stiffness (like flex in mms vs force) of wheels, frames etc included with reviews?
It would certainly give more merit, as most of the time, there is not anything more to go by than weight of the item.
Probably too confusing for the average consumer.
Hard to measure and will vary greatly with weight.
Hard to replicate - and parts won't always flex in the same places every time, etc.
With wheels - it can vary from wheel to wheel, just depending on spoke tightness, etc.
Might be misleading. I don't want to know a certain product flex X amount based on a 200 pound rider if I'm a 150 pound rider, etc.
Just random thoughts as to why they don't include that type of info.0 -
Would be better than some random tester in the C+ reviews giving a score based on not a lot, with very little said.
Their bike reviews consist of wind and air.
We rode and our testers liked..........
Hard to benchmark anything. Feel is one thing, but some hard data would be good. To be honest, most wheels and kit is so upgradeable on higher end bikes that it aint worth it in the review as you can spec as you like. Frames matter, and the reviews I read are so much about instinct than fact.
I can take that from a pro who compares to a "known" level bike, but not a random tester (with little consistency due to the variety of testers used).
I'd like to see more use of comparison with "class leaders", to put some context on qualitative data.
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Computer and HiFi magasines do this type of thing. The problem is that manufacturers start to design for the test, ie computers which perform brilliantly for a narrow range of performance tasks, but not so well in the real world.
Also some consumers are obsessed with this type of analysis and dismiss great gear on the basis of a 1% worst performance in these tests, or a mass of a few grams more. I have seen cranks tested for deflection, yet i cannot detect any flex in the old TA cranks on my fixed bike.
I would rather see an intelligently and entertaining test than a list of statistics. The best tests i have seen are in Singletrack, they dont even give numerical ratings.0 -
Hmm, yes.
It's a valid point that too much info may make people hung up on numbers etc but nonetheless, when it comes to computers for example there are a lot o f things examined. For example - some of the more hardcore sites take them appart to see what the build quality is like and give a lot of metrics on the performance - of course this is not an apples to apples comparisons, but still.0 -
Valy wrote:Hmm, yes.
It's a valid point that too much info may make people hung up on numbers etc but nonetheless, when it comes to computers for example there are a lot o f things examined. For example - some of the more hardcore sites take them appart to see what the build quality is like and give a lot of metrics on the performance - of course this is not an Apple to Apple comparison, but still.
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Shiiiiet
Not need for the mention the company which offers inferior and overpriced products with generous amounts of brainwashing.
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