The Hub Glentress Snubbed by FC
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Thewaylander wrote:IE my veiw on the latest built trail center at Cwm being aimed mostly at walkers, well isn't that a concern to what use this center in scotland may see?
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its not the same issue here in scotland what with our liberal land access rights.
in england and wales...you have to use trail centres (for the most part...in order to remain within the law).
here...obviously..there are fewer restrictions on both parties.Whenever I see an adult on a bicycle, I believe in the future of the human race.
H.G. Wells.0 -
cee wrote:Thewaylander wrote:IE my veiw on the latest built trail center at Cwm being aimed mostly at walkers, well isn't that a concern to what use this center in scotland may see?
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its not the same issue here in scotland what with our liberal land access rights.
in england and wales...you have to use trail centres (for the most part...in order to remain within the law).
here...obviously..there are fewer restrictions on both parties.
Eh what are you smoking? Most riders i know never go to trail centers as there is tons of natural accessible networks of trails. It's true in Scotland the land access rights for riders is better.
But stating that here we basiclly have to use trail centers is wildley inaccurate.0 -
I don't care...I aim for walkers anyway
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Thewaylander wrote:cee wrote:Thewaylander wrote:IE my veiw on the latest built trail center at Cwm being aimed mostly at walkers, well isn't that a concern to what use this center in scotland may see?
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its not the same issue here in scotland what with our liberal land access rights.
in england and wales...you have to use trail centres (for the most part...in order to remain within the law).
here...obviously..there are fewer restrictions on both parties.
Eh what are you smoking? Most riders i know never go to trail centers as there is tons of natural accessible networks of trails. It's true in Scotland the land access rights for riders is better.
But stating that here we basiclly have to use trail centers is wildley inaccurate.
fair enough...
the next time i see a welshy moaing about 'can;t ride here', 'can't ride there', i'll tell them to quit bleating as there "is tons of natural accessible networks of trails"
AND ANOTHER THING>>>
if most riders (admittedly that you know) never go to trail centres.....then what the prblem if the cafe is sh1t?Whenever I see an adult on a bicycle, I believe in the future of the human race.
H.G. Wells.0 -
cee wrote:Thewaylander wrote:cee wrote:Thewaylander wrote:IE my veiw on the latest built trail center at Cwm being aimed mostly at walkers, well isn't that a concern to what use this center in scotland may see?
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its not the same issue here in scotland what with our liberal land access rights.
in england and wales...you have to use trail centres (for the most part...in order to remain within the law).
here...obviously..there are fewer restrictions on both parties.
Eh what are you smoking? Most riders i know never go to trail centers as there is tons of natural accessible networks of trails. It's true in Scotland the land access rights for riders is better.
But stating that here we basiclly have to use trail centers is wildley inaccurate.
fair enough...
the next time i see a welshy moaing about 'can;t ride here', 'can't ride there', i'll tell them to quit bleating as there "is tons of natural accessible networks of trails"
AND ANOTHER THING>>>
if most riders (admittedly that you know) never go to trail centres.....then what the prblem if the cafe is sh1t?
i've never heard a local rider by me complain that they can't ride anywhere :? albeit it's probably not strictly legal but i ride just about anywhere (apart from pavements) footpaths on open mountain sides/moorland are fair game in my opinion as long as you're respectful of other users.
but likewise, i very rarely use the cafes at visitors centres cos i live fairly close by 0 -
I agree i don't care if the cafe is crap to be fair i often take my own supplies.
But still it's nice sometimes when we do eat there for it to be nice. I sometimes took me mum and dad on the way by to the drop in cafe for a bacon butty and a cup of tea
But people had there opinions so had to stick my oar in as it were.0 -
cee wrote:in england and wales...you have to use trail centres (for the most part...in order to remain within the law).
here...obviously..there are fewer restrictions on both parties.
Vey strange and totally incorrect comment.
I live in England and 99% of my riding is natural and of this i'd say 95% is legit,I never ride FP's knowingly,don't have to there's plenty of legit stuff to ride anyway.
I've been to a trail centre once in the last 18 months or so because they're OK (some of them)every now and then.0 -
cee wrote:Thewaylander wrote:cee wrote:Thewaylander wrote:IE my veiw on the latest built trail center at Cwm being aimed mostly at walkers, well isn't that a concern to what use this center in scotland may see?
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its not the same issue here in scotland what with our liberal land access rights.
in england and wales...you have to use trail centres (for the most part...in order to remain within the law).
here...obviously..there are fewer restrictions on both parties.
Eh what are you smoking? Most riders i know never go to trail centers as there is tons of natural accessible networks of trails. It's true in Scotland the land access rights for riders is better.
But stating that here we basiclly have to use trail centers is wildley inaccurate.
fair enough...
the next time i see a welshy moaing about 'can;t ride here', 'can't ride there', i'll tell them to quit bleating as there "is tons of natural accessible networks of trails"
AND ANOTHER THING>>>
if most riders (admittedly that you know) never go to trail centres.....then what the prblem if the cafe is sh1t?
The legal difference for natural trails between Scotland and England/Wales is that in Scotland you can ride pretty much anywhere there's a trail on the ground. In England/Wales you can ride on any right of way other than footpaths, which means that sometimes you may be riding where there is no trail as you only need it to be marked as a right of way that bikes are allowed on. This obviously gives more choice in Scotland. Some areas of England & Wales are short of bridleways etc, some have a lot more choice. But for every trail you can ride legally there's probably about 7 or 8 that are footpaths. Trail centres are handy for a lot of people as you know what you're getting, but you're missing out if you never ride natural trails. If you can't get the hang of navigation, find a club or a guide (hint hint...)0 -
welshkev wrote:cee wrote:in england and wales...you have to use trail centres (for the most part...in order to remain within the law).
i've never heard a local rider by me complain that they can't ride anywhere :? albeit it's probably not strictly legal but i ride just about anywhere
spot the contradiction between the two quotes....
cool...theres so much natural riding in england and wales that you don't need trail centres...and no-one ever moans about the lack of places to ride...ever. apart from all the previous threads on here of course.
my bad....
for all the folk that don't agree with the change of lease....vote with your feet as it were...and ride somewhere else instead.Whenever I see an adult on a bicycle, I believe in the future of the human race.
H.G. Wells.0 -
cee wrote:welshkev wrote:cee wrote:in england and wales...you have to use trail centres (for the most part...in order to remain within the law).
i've never heard a local rider by me complain that they can't ride anywhere :? albeit it's probably not strictly legal but i ride just about anywhere
spot the contradiction between the two quotes....
cool...theres so much natural riding in england and wales that you don't need trail centres...and no-one ever moans about the lack of places to ride...ever. apart from all the previous threads on here of course.
my bad....
for all the folk that don't agree with the change of lease....vote with your feet as it were...and ride somewhere else instead.
i never said that no one uses trail centres, i ride cwmcarn quite often, usually linked in as part of a natural ride. i'm quite lucky in where i live is slap bang in the middle of the hills and there's enough natural riding for me to ride somewhere new for months before i got bored. yes it is a contadiction, but do people really choose only to ride at trail centres to remain within the law? i think not, i think it's just easier.
but we digress from the OP, i have no idea what's happening at glentress, i've never been 0 -
fair enough.Whenever I see an adult on a bicycle, I believe in the future of the human race.
H.G. Wells.0 -
bails87 wrote:I ride on footpaths all the time. Unfortunately all the riding near me is sh1t, even on footpaths. Which is why I go to trail centres, not, as this thread would have you believe, because of the cafe that's there!
I lived in Coventry for ages a few years back, and yes, there's not much decent riding anywhere in the area. There are trails, just no great ones. We used to go to Cannock a lot.
Seems to be one of the more sparse areas for trails.0 -
a big +1, never was a statement more untrue!ibbo68 wrote:cee wrote:in england and wales...you have to use trail centres (for the most part...in order to remain within the law).
here...obviously..there are fewer restrictions on both parties.
Very strange and totally incorrect comment..
sure the scotts have got it back on with land access law but it's a massive stretch to assume all us south of the border have to ride at trail centres.
anyway whether you ride tc's or not, whether you've been to GT once or a thousand times I'm still sceptical that the FC spending £9m on a building and doing away with an already very good (in my opinion) bike/cafe/ shop business is in the interest of us mountain bikers.
ok I'm speculating I'll admit but there are lessons that can and should have been learned from similar projects in other parts of the UK, time will tell....0 -
CycloRos wrote:
a big +1, never was a statement more untrue!ibbo68 wrote:cee wrote:in england and wales...you have to use trail centres (for the most part...in order to remain within the law).
here...obviously..there are fewer restrictions on both parties.
Very strange and totally incorrect comment..
sure the scotts have got it back on with land access law but it's a massive stretch to assume all us south of the border have to ride at trail centres.
anyway whether you ride tc's or not, whether you've been to GT once or a thousand times I'm still sceptical that the FC spending £9m on a building and doing away with an already very good (in my opinion) bike/cafe/ shop business is in the interest of us mountain bikers.
ok I'm speculating I'll admit but there are lessons that can and should have been learned from similar projects in other parts of the UK, time will tell....
Yes, I wonder why people think that there's not much legal riding in England/Wales apart from trail centres. It does seem that not so many people can read maps or navigate compared to 15 or 20 years ago, so maybe people just don't know what's out there.
Trail centres are great, but the rest of the stuff you can ride is well worth it, for variety if nothing else, and you can't beat a bit of unpredictability to keep things interesting...
The trails are often more technical and/or faster in places, & the scenery is usually better, specially if it's Yarkshire (that from an adopted Yorkshire person)0 -
i don't think that it's even that people can't read maps etc. i think that trail centres have made mountain biking more accessible so people who didn't ride before have more opportunities to ride. people who rode natural stuff before still do, they just maybe don't see as many people as there's an alternative in trail centres 0
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welshkev wrote:i don't think that it's even that people can't read maps etc. i think that trail centres have made mountain biking more accessible so people who didn't ride before have more opportunities to ride. people who rode natural stuff before still do, they just maybe don't see as many people as there's an alternative in trail centres
Yeh I reckon that's part of it as well. I just don't meet so many people in general with map reading skills as I used to. I think that the yoof don't learn stuff like that as much as in the past. I might be wrong as you never know whether your own experience is also the wider picture, but that's just how it's seemed to have gone. As a guide/coach I get asked for more skills coaching than guiding, but when I started biking there were no guides! This meant you had to learn for yourself, as there were no trail centres either and the bridleways weren't usually signposted. Not complaining, I'm quite happy to guide people! Obviously most people want a guide not because they can't read a map, but to get the best trails in an area, but there's a bit of both in there.0 -
switchback18 wrote:Yes, I wonder why people think that there's not much legal riding in England/Wales apart from trail centres.
probably quotes like this:switchback18 wrote:I lived in Coventry for ages a few years back, and yes, there's not much decent riding anywhere in the area. There are trails, just no great ones. We used to go to Cannock a lot.
and this:bails87 wrote:I ride on footpaths all the time. Unfortunately all the riding near me is sh1t, even on footpaths. Which is why I go to trail centres, not, as this thread would have you believe, because of the cafe that's there!Whenever I see an adult on a bicycle, I believe in the future of the human race.
H.G. Wells.0 -
cee wrote:switchback18 wrote:Yes, I wonder why people think that there's not much legal riding in England/Wales apart from trail centres.
probably quotes like this:switchback18 wrote:I lived in Coventry for ages a few years back, and yes, there's not much decent riding anywhere in the area. There are trails, just no great ones. We used to go to Cannock a lot.
and this:bails87 wrote:I ride on footpaths all the time. Unfortunately all the riding near me is sh1t, even on footpaths. Which is why I go to trail centres, not, as this thread would have you believe, because of the cafe that's there!
I did make the point that it was an area where trails are sparse, not the same country-wide. That area isn't great, but plenty of other places are. One quote was about one specific area, the other was about England/Wales in general.
Many people travel a long way at the weekend to get to trail centres. For the same distance you can often get to wild trails that are as good or better, or at least a change.0 -
...also, in the Midlands, at least where I was, there wasn't much in the way of trail centres either, just not much riding of any kind. Cannock was closest at over an hour away0
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you see where people get the idea though right?Whenever I see an adult on a bicycle, I believe in the future of the human race.
H.G. Wells.0 -
can i just say this as it something new you all dont like it as you all dont like changes
so can you all get a life and going on about it1 life live it to the max
im no1 so y try any harder??0 -
cycle slayer wrote:can i just say this as it something new you all dont like it as you all dont like changes
so can you all get a life and going on about it
dude, you only have 4 posts and you come here giving it the big 'un. not a good way to start off :?
this is a public forum where people share views and debate things and occasionally argue. if you don't like that, go somewhere else or just don't read it 0 -
I don't really see what post count has to do with anything0
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welshkev wrote:peter413 wrote:I don't really see what post count has to do with anything
sorry, i thought that after i wrote it, it sounds a bit condescending, i just meant it's not the best way to make friends.
Don't you remember I was forever arguing with Supersonic when I first came here
And maybe he only joined the site for this matter since it seems its all he has commented on0 -
it only said it as all you can do is take it out on the ground staff i have family in the fc based at gt and they are getting abuse from the otheer mtbrs about it and i am sick off it as its not them that has done anything wrong1 life live it to the max
im no1 so y try any harder??0 -
cycle slayer wrote:it only said it as all you can do is take it out on the ground staff i have family in the fc based at gt and they are getting abuse from the otheer mtbrs about it and i am sick off it as its not them that has done anything wrong
Very much this, apart from the family bit
There are many things happening at GT and other forests with the staff that work there that you will never know about but effects things a fair bit BUT you won't notice these effects as you are so hung up on noticing the bad stuff that you don't notice the good things the staff do but of course if they get their licenses etc revoked they can't do it anymore but of course you won't notice the side-effects of this0 -
cycle slayer wrote:it only said it as all you can do is take it out on the ground staff i have family in the fc based at gt and they are getting abuse from the otheer mtbrs about it and i am sick off it as its not them that has done anything wrong
im sick of you.0 -
how is that????1 life live it to the max
im no1 so y try any harder??0
