Planet-X Guerciotti frames?

dhope
dhope Posts: 6,699
edited December 2010 in Road buying advice
My Boardman Team Carbon frame looks cracked. Maybe repairable but if not easily then I guess I'm in the market for a new frame. It's my first road bike so I'm not sure whether there's a particular geometry that suits me or if I prefer Carbon to Alu.
Looking at PX they have a couple of frames that seem to have huge (70%) discounts, particularly

http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/FRG ... rbon-frame
For £300 from £1000

and

http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/FRG ... hips-frame
for £500 from £1350

They'll also throw in a carbon front fork for free if bought at the same time
http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/FOG ... ck---700-c


Are the discounts realistic - anyone know whether the were ever £1000/£1350 frames or are they permanently discounted and the big % reduction is a bit of a red herring?

Also, any idea how it'd compare to the stock Boardman Carbon frame?
http://www.boardmanbikes.com/road/road_team_carbon.html
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/ ... n-10-37560


Any insight much appreciated
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Comments

  • dhope
    dhope Posts: 6,699
    Oh, and if not then any reasonably priced recommendations for a frame that'd suit the remaining BTC? Spec:

    Frame Ultralight unidirectional T700 carbon fibre monocoque
    Fork Ultralight carbon fibre monocoque
    Headset FSA Orbit integrated cartridge bearing
    Spacers Full carbon 4x5mm, 1x10mm
    Stem Ritchey Comp OS 31.8mm
    Handlebars Ritchey Comp OS 31.8mm
    Seatpost Ritchey Comp 31.6mm
    Saddle cboardman, Cro-Mo rails
    Brakes R580
    Shifters SRAM Rival 10 speed
    Rear Mech SRAM Rival
    Front Mech SRAM Rival
    Cassette Shimano CS-5600 12-25T
    Chain Shimano CN-5600
    Chainset SRAM S350 compact 50x34T
    Bottom Bracket SRAM GXP
    Rims Ritchey Pro 20H front, 24H rear
    Hubs Sealed bearings
    Spokes Stainless steel double butted black
    Tyres Continental Ultra Sport 700x23c
    Pedals N/A
    Weight* 17.6 lbs
    Rose Xeon CW Disc
    CAAD12 Disc
    Condor Tempo
  • If your Boardman has a crack in it and it wasn't caused by you crashing or you damaging it then surely you should take the frame back for a replacement?
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  • dhope
    dhope Posts: 6,699
    edited December 2010
    If your Boardman has a crack in it and it wasn't caused by you crashing or you damaging it then surely you should take the frame back for a replacement?
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  • lef
    lef Posts: 728
    ...claim off the drivers insurance?
  • dhope
    dhope Posts: 6,699
    edited December 2010
    oops
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    CAAD12 Disc
    Condor Tempo
  • Don't look at the discount price. Retailers wont usually be losing money by "discounting" at 70%. Do you honest think a retailer will buy a frame at, say, £1000 and sell it to the public at £300? Again, "throw in a free carbon fork! Who the hell eventually pays for the fork - the fairies?

    Look at the quality of the frame and it's size. Then decide on the SELLING price, not the discounted price.

    It's far easier to lose money then to find a genuine bargain.
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  • dhope
    dhope Posts: 6,699
    Don't look at the discount price. Retailers wont usually be losing money by "discounting" at 70%. Do you honest think a retailer will buy a frame at, say, £1000 and sell it to the public at £300? Again, "throw in a free carbon fork! Who the hell eventually pays for the fork - the fairies?

    Look at the quality of the frame and it's size. Then decide on the SELLING price, not the discounted price.

    It's far easier to lose money then to find a genuine bargain.

    Next question, is it worth the £300 or £500. I'm really still the novice with all things biking (hence the C2W funded Boardman) so not sure what sort of frame the stock Boardman would compare to if I were buying one separately.
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  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    Dont you need to replace the bike with another boardman ? Its not your bike - its the employers - so the car driver needs to buy you a replacement Boardman ?
  • Those discounts are legit - kind of....

    The frames are all old models, mostly circa 2000-2004, and would have been sold at top prices then.

    Frame technology has moved on a bit, and few manufacturers are producing good quality alu framesets nowadays - although there are some notable exceptions. Generally there isn't so much demand for aluminium frames, hence the low prices.

    It is also worth checking out chain reaction for old frames at big discounts. Some nice Principia frames there.

    If you are using the frame for day to day riding get a new carbon frame - Planet X or Ribble will do a frame for a similar price and it will be more comfortable. If you are racing some of the old alu frames are really stiff and fast so you might pick up a bargain.
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  • These are lovely frames , some are recent models from past 2-3 years , some are as old as 2000 . Theres a real classic columbus starship frame with inch steerer .

    The frames really need to be seen in the flesh , they are almost retro , in a sort of big hair 1980s duran duran way - theyre classic whilst not full retro .

    But make no mistake these were top end alloy frames and would still hold their own in performance , high end alloy frames from top alloy like deda U2 were the top frames of the era - mark lovatt won several of his tour of the peak victories on a deda U2 frame .

    With the current price of full carbon frames ex China , the market for Italian made high end alloy frames (with carbon seatsyay / chainstay / full alloy) has disappeared .

    Ride quality on these versus full carbon will probably be a lot more lively (or harsh depending on your perspective) .

    These really are a connoisseurs bike frame , not for all , but one thng is certain they are a great price for what they are - and current trends mean you probably wont get this type of frame again , so its going to become a retro NOS classic
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    I'd love one but I'm too much of a fatty bum bum. :(
  • fleshtuxedo
    fleshtuxedo Posts: 1,853
    My first proper road frame when I was a lad was a late 80s Guerciotti Columbus SL and I'd love one of the Androni replica Scuro RSs. Any chance of any deals nearer to the £900 odd for the same thing from Ribble?? The Ribble ones look absolutely minging by comparison....
  • I've been looking at using my £1K cyclescheme allowance on a carbon ribble nero or gran fondo. However lurking in my spare room for the last 3 years has been an unused Guerciotti G45 frameset. At the time Fat birds were selling these for about £900 - £1000. I picked it up on ebay for £220! The frames are top quality ad will build into a nice bike they are made of columbus airplane tubing with columbus carbon carve fork and seat stays. Mine has been is semi built with FSA SLK carbon chainset (ISIS DRIVE) and seat post, fsa carbon pro bars and stem, Mavic brakes and Gipiemme wheels. I've now decided to finish building this one and use the cyclescheme voucher for a new mountain bike probably a cube ltd race.

    Will post some photos
  • neeb
    neeb Posts: 4,467
    My first proper road frame when I was a lad was a late 80s Guerciotti Columbus SL and I'd love one of the Androni replica Scuro RSs. Any chance of any deals nearer to the £900 odd for the same thing from Ribble?? The Ribble ones look absolutely minging by comparison....
    I got my Scuro RS from Alpina Giro in Paris. They have a few quite nice paint schemes of their own and will do custom painting. It'll cost you a bit more than the Ribble (I think I paid the equivalent of about £1300 for mine with semi-custom paint scheme) but a lot less than the Guerciotti.

    They are very friendly, speak good enough English for the purposes of ordering and will ship to other European countries.

    http://www.alpinagiro.com/
    http://www.alpinagiro.com/photo/art/gra ... 1.jpg?ibox
  • rokkala
    rokkala Posts: 649
    Speaking about the Scuro RS frame, i think this is the best looking paintjob i've seen of it:

    grande_sil_0004.jpg
  • fleshtuxedo
    fleshtuxedo Posts: 1,853
    neeb wrote:
    My first proper road frame when I was a lad was a late 80s Guerciotti Columbus SL and I'd love one of the Androni replica Scuro RSs. Any chance of any deals nearer to the £900 odd for the same thing from Ribble?? The Ribble ones look absolutely minging by comparison....
    I got my Scuro RS from Alpina Giro in Paris. They have a few quite nice paint schemes of their own and will do custom painting. It'll cost you a bit more than the Ribble (I think I paid the equivalent of about £1300 for mine with semi-custom paint scheme) but a lot less than the Guerciotti.

    They are very friendly, speak good enough English for the purposes of ordering and will ship to other European countries.

    http://www.alpinagiro.com/
    http://www.alpinagiro.com/photo/art/gra ... 1.jpg?ibox

    Nice one neeb thanks for that I'll give them a look. 8)
  • fleshtuxedo
    fleshtuxedo Posts: 1,853
    By chance, PX have just dropped the price on the team replica Guerciotti Scuro RSs by £500 to £1100.

    I just bought the last medium androni one :D