Litespeed Archon vs Sabbath Emperor

Stelvioisnice

Very confused :? .. Will have the money in about 16months.. want to know what to buy..

Not interested in CArbon.. Have a Madone..5.5 too many breaks.. seen other Carbons not last more than 3 years.. I want to buy the best Titanium as to offer.

Want it very stiff... do not mind about the price...there are no reviews on the Sabbath but very avant garde looking, which I like..

The Litespeeed looks like a Madone and a feel this is the best one.

Will speck it out in Dura ace - triple...what wheels are best??? not carbon as they explode on London roads..prefer shimano..

Be very grateful for advice.. :?

Thanks,

Stelvioisnice.

topdude

16 months, would it not be better to ask nearer the time :shock:

Monty Dog

You want the best titanium, then both those would appear a fair way down a list of prestigous builders - in no particular order consider:
Passoni (simply the finest quality anywhere)
Dean
Moots
IF
Lynskey
Seven
Crisp
DeRosa

Many will do custom where they select tubing to suit your desired ride characteristic - order now and it might be ready in 16 months (no kidding). Suggest you take a trip to Mosquito Cycles and also if you want stiff and strong, look at a Pegoretti Marcelo - one of the stiffest frames, period.

Scrumple

Anyone who starts a post saying "I'll have the money in 16 months" is wasting everyones' time.

And his.

Come back later. Spend the 16 months test riding them and see... Just a thought?

loismustdie

I'd add the Van Nicholas Astraeus to that list. I've got a 2007 Madone andwanted to move away from carbon for the reasons you mention, so I got the Astraeus (Ultegra, Easton EC90 fork/finishing kit, Ksyrium SL wheels).

Feels almost as stiff as the Trek (especially the front end) but so much more comfortable. I'm faster on all of my 3hr + rides because I'm so much fresher. I'm also able to ride more days in a row before needing a rest day.

Looks good too, at least as good as the Archon IMHO.

ugo.santalucia

The Sabbath Emperor is only for goths...

giant_man

Stelvioisnice wrote:

Very confused :? .. Will have the money in about 16months.. want to know what to buy..

Not interested in CArbon.. Have a Madone..5.5 too many breaks.. seen other Carbons not last more than 3 years.. I want to buy the best Titanium as to offer.

Want it very stiff... do not mind about the price...there are no reviews on the Sabbath but very avant garde looking, which I like..

The Litespeeed looks like a Madone and a feel this is the best one.

Will speck it out in Dura ace - triple...what wheels are best??? not carbon as they explode on London roads..prefer shimano..

Be very grateful for advice.. :?

Thanks,

Stelvioisnice.

yeah right! ...

inseine

There are very few bikes I would call truely ugly, but the list has just grown by one now I've seen the Sabbath Emporer. IMO

Tom Butcher

Christ that is certainly different ! I quite like the designs of some of the Sabbath bikes but shallow person that I am I'd never buy one because to my eyes graphics on them look cheap and the brand name conjures up images of the local CofE vicars garden party.

spasypaddy

i got a price list off Passoni this week :shock:

andyp

Monty Dog wrote:

You want the best titanium, then both those would appear a fair way down a list of prestigous builders - in no particular order consider:
Passoni (simply the finest quality anywhere)
Dean
Moots
IF
Lynskey
Seven
Crisp
DeRosa

You forgot Paduano and Nevi off that list;

http://www.paduanoracing.com/

http://www.nevi.it/WWW.NEVI.IT_.html

darkside80

Monty Dog wrote:

You want the best titanium, then both those would appear a fair way down a list of prestigous builders - in no particular order consider:
Passoni (simply the finest quality anywhere)
Dean
Moots
IF
Lynskey
Seven
Crisp
DeRosa

Many will do custom where they select tubing to suit your desired ride characteristic - order now and it might be ready in 16 months (no kidding). Suggest you take a trip to Mosquito Cycles and also if you want stiff and strong, look at a Pegoretti Marcelo - one of the stiffest frames, period.

also missed Eriksen off the list too. Bespoke cycles in London are dealers...

LazyBoycp

darkside80 wrote:

Monty Dog wrote:

You want the best titanium, then both those would appear a fair way down a list of prestigous builders - in no particular order consider:
Passoni (simply the finest quality anywhere)
Dean
Moots
IF
Lynskey
Seven
Crisp
DeRosa

Many will do custom where they select tubing to suit your desired ride characteristic - order now and it might be ready in 16 months (no kidding). Suggest you take a trip to Mosquito Cycles and also if you want stiff and strong, look at a Pegoretti Marcelo - one of the stiffest frames, period.

also missed Eriksen off the list too. Bespoke cycles in London are dealers...

And Baum.

greg roche

Hello all,

Glad to see the new version of the emperor (which will be the Nirvana, btw) is generating some interest. For pictures of the NEW version, look here:


http://fb.me/NtTLyEyB

The geometry, which is also fully customisable, is based on our Mondays Child which has a great reputation for handling. The main things we wanted to address were:

- Increased stiffness
- Weight

Without compromising titanium's reputation for integrity and real world strength and reliability. The resulting frame is close to a pound lighter than the MC. The bike in the picture weighs in at 14lbs with powermeter and all the bits fitted (inc pedals).

The unusual tube shape is a consequence of improving weld contact area without causing heat distortion. So its lighter, stiffer and handles fantastically. We are expecting to get some journo's onto the bike in the coming weeks so watch this space for that.

The list of classic (mainly USA) manufacturers is reflective of the fact that ti is still a material that can build into a fantastic race or sportive frame. I can tell you that we share supplier with 5 of the other manufacturers on the list. We dont share design with any of them. We develop our own products here in the UK. Something we'r every proud of....and something that's getting us a reputation for great products and good customer service. Its flattering that a UK brand, with less than 4 years of business is up there in that list.

Watch out for further developments and new products through 2011.

Greg

Scrumple

Buy British!

Great to see a proper mix of design and function. The Sabbath Facebook page is great - love the photos of all the customised bikes.

My own gets comments wherever I go, and even my LBS were impressed enough ask plenty of questions. Great bikes, with a real personal touch.

Wish I could afford another...!

inseine

I think that it's great what you're doing at sabbath and I really appreciate the work that's gone into the Emporer and I hope it sells well. There are some very interesting and novel touches. As a whole I still find it vey hard to like, as a piece of design. Just a few too many wavy lines and incoherant forms but that's just my opinion. Sure it's wonderful to ride!

TMR

The OP ought to consider one of the Enigma offerings. Every bit as good as the other manufacturers mentioned.

greasedscotsman

OK, maybe no use if the OP isn't getting any cash for 16 months, but maybe of interest to others...

http://www.evanscycles.com/products/lit ... e-ec024304