Mileage on the Turbo.......Can I count it?
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I've been recording my weekly/monthly mileage all year. Ignoring the hours on the bike versus mileage debate, I believe a lot of cyclists like to record their mileage and then reflect back etc.
As the dark nights have drawn in, Im not doing as many road miles as the the summer. As as result my turbo sessions have increased as well as road miles, mostly weekends now.
Can I or should I record my turbo miles in my total mileage for the year?
Any thoughts?...........
As the dark nights have drawn in, Im not doing as many road miles as the the summer. As as result my turbo sessions have increased as well as road miles, mostly weekends now.
Can I or should I record my turbo miles in my total mileage for the year?
Any thoughts?...........
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If you are not cycling, you are not cycling! If you aren't going anywhere (even if 'anywhere' is just round in circles), you aren't cycling. Of course you could count your turbo mileage but deep down, you'd know you were just trying to fool yourself.
Here is a good place to record your real mileage though:
http://www.startfarm.co.uk/aspStats/Default.aspx
And just get out and ride - the roads aren't unrideable just because they are dark
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No. If you'd chosen to log hours instead then yeah
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you are clocking miles and getting a better workout - of course you can count it.Rolf F wrote:If you are not cycling, you are not cycling! If you aren't going anywhere (even if 'anywhere' is just round in circles), you aren't cycling
what a load of pompous crap - if your feet are turning the pedals in a cyclic fashion, then you are cycling...0 -
On the Stats board that Rolf linked to, the concensus was that rollers, turbos etc don't count towards the total, and we're all pretty happy with that. Up to you if you want to count them - no-one will come round & bomb your house if you do (except maybe a guy calling himself ITB).
BTW; sign up to SC Stats is locked down until the new year; feel free to hop on board then.0 -
if you think anyone else really cares, then dream on.
you do what you want.0 -
softlad wrote:what a load of pompous crap - if your feet are turning the pedals in a cyclic fashion, then you are cycling...
Not really - it maybe good exercise but it still isn't the same. I could sit in my chair and move my legs in a pedally fashion but I wouldn't be cycling. I'd be looking ridiculous but that's something else entirely.
P.S it's nice to be polite Faster than a tent.......0 -
Personally I wouldn't.
What sessions are you doing on your turbo anyway ? I find its best for intervals rather than just clocking up miles. I've heard of people doing 6 hour sessions on a turbo but they we're just turning the pedals over on basically no resistance - so what's the point ?0 -
Most of my training is on the turbo due to circumstance. I'm not in the least bit mithered about what other people think 'count'. It's the quality and type of the workout that's important to me.0
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I'd say no, but for different reasons. Work like hell over the winter on your turbo, and be in super form at the start of next season's racing. You can legitimately tell people you did hardly any miles over the winter really.
They will be mightily peed off when you turn up to the first race of the season wearing lederhosen and clogs, riding a unicycle, to blow them away up the first major climb while whistling Ride of the Valkyries.
"But I only did 20 miles a week training over the winter. Honest!" 8)Open One+ BMC TE29 Seven 622SL On One Scandal Cervelo RS0 -
On my turbo the distance for a given power is always down on what I'd do on the road (for the same power) so I'd have no issues at all with logging distance for turbo sessions.
But like most I look more to time on the bike with just a brief look at weekly distance now and then.More problems but still living....0 -
You know there's a load of old tosh talked on here sometimes :shock: :roll:
Of course you count the miles but record it as turbo miles, my 40 miles on the turbo are far more painful than any road ride and before anyone says anything I do ride in the dark.
What is the point of going out in the bad exceptionally cold weather just to ride a flaming bike, it isn't enjoyable and you are risking your health as well, far better to do a structured training session and improve your performance far better than a road ride with cold muscles and risk catching a cold as well.
As long as the wheels and cranks are turning under your own steam it counts, next thing people will be saying is that when you freewheel down a hill it don't count!!! :roll:0 -
Velonutter wrote:You know there's a load of old tosh talked on here sometimes :shock: :roll:
Of course you count the miles but record it as turbo miles, my 40 miles on the turbo are far more painful than any road ride and before anyone says anything I do ride in the dark.
What is the point of going out in the bad exceptionally cold weather just to ride a flaming bike, it isn't enjoyable and you are risking your health as well, far better to do a structured training session and improve your performance far better than a road ride with cold muscles and risk catching a cold as well.
As long as the wheels and cranks are turning under your own steam it counts, next thing people will be saying is that when you freewheel down a hill it don't count!!! :roll:
I thought this thread was tongue in cheek, tbh. I didn't realise people actually cared if I record my miles on a turbo or not0 -
In defence of Rolf and the general view that turbo miles don't count, SC Stats is Silly Commuting Stats, - commuting mileage, which grew to include other cycling miles. It's reasonable that rollers & turbo miles aren't even close to commuting, whereas going to work via a pointless 35 mile detour to move up a place [it happens, a huge amount] is. In short, for that particular stats thing, rollers & turbo miles don't count, and that idea persists. That's where we're coming from.
FWIW I do log roller miles on my personal logging page, but that's separate from SC Stats. If you've got a couple of days spare, your paint is already dry and you've watched the grass grow as much as you think it will grow, send yourself to sleep reading the SC Stats thread.
Edit - before you all rush to sign up at once, you can't until the new year. This prevents old stagers who have been at it like knives all year battling for top spot (or 47th in some cases) being suddenly wiped out by a bunch of newcomers joining in at the end of December with their big numbers. No new users after October. Come back in January.
And we know that miles ain't everything when it comes to proper training. That's why it's in Commuting. 0 -
APIII wrote:I thought this thread was tongue in cheek, tbh. I didn't realise people actually cared if I record my miles on a turbo or not
Well I thought it was tongue in cheek! Really, the only reason it matters to at least distinguish the two is that it does encourage you to get out there. As CiB says, the whole SCStats thing is a bit bonkers - I certainly wouldn't be doing 50 mile round trip commutes in gales when I could do a 13 mile round trip if it hadn't been for SCStats. In fact, as soon as I find out where CiB lives, I'm going to bash him over the head with my heavy old Dawes Horizon!
However, had it not been for SCStats, I wouldn't have got anywhere near as fit as I have done. So maybe I should buy him a pint instead!
And next year, I'll be doing proper training.Faster than a tent.......0 -
softlad wrote:you are clocking miles and getting a better workout - of course you can count it.Rolf F wrote:If you are not cycling, you are not cycling! If you aren't going anywhere (even if 'anywhere' is just round in circles), you aren't cycling
what a load of pompous crap - if your feet are turning the pedals in a cyclic fashion, then you are cycling...
for once I a agree 100% with Softlad!0 -
Looks like there's been a failure here to differentiate between a smiley smiley course you can't count them (as if anyone cares), and a beligerently agressive course you can't count them, and damn anyone who even thinks they can.Squillinossett wrote:softlad wrote:you are clocking miles and getting a better workout - of course you can count it.Rolf F wrote:If you are not cycling, you are not cycling! If you aren't going anywhere (even if 'anywhere' is just round in circles), you aren't cycling
what a load of pompous crap - if your feet are turning the pedals in a cyclic fashion, then you are cycling...
for once I a agree 100% with Softlad!
It's a reasonable question to ask, and there'e your answer. Those of us who log miles in Stats don't want to lose to someone who does 20 miles watching Newsnight instead of sitting on their ar$e watching Newsnight; conversely there are proper Road Cyclists who log them along with all other forms of cycling. Everybody's right; everybody wins.0 -
Squillinossett wrote:for once I a agree 100% with Softlad!
I wasn't aware we had ever disagreed...? 0 -
...Looks like there's been a failure here to differentiate between a smiley smiley course you can't count them (as if anyone cares), and a beligerently agressive course you can't count them, and damn anyone who even thinks they can.
It's a reasonable question to ask, and there'e your answer. Those of us who log miles in Stats don't want to lose to someone who does 20 miles watching Newsnight instead of sitting on their ar$e watching Newsnight; conversely there are proper Road Cyclists who log them along with all other forms of cycling. Everybody's right; everybody wins.
CiB you are assuming that people sitting on their asses are able to watch newsnight and your comments about proper cyclist is OTT.
Pray tell me where did the OP mentioning anything about SC Stats, it was you and Rolf F who bought that up.
If you think my Turbo sessions are easy and you could even think about television then your welcome to try and maintain the same pace as me on my turbo and I ain't brilliant, but I average in a 53/11 a cadence of 106 at an average of 34-36mph, your breathing through your ass at that performance, I ain't ever had to push that hard on the road, in fact I couldn't get anywhere near that!
I know many people who do most of their training on a turbo and could whip most peoples asses, take Lynn Taylor the current LEJOG record holder, she does 99% of her training on a turbo with a structured plan from her coach.
Lets not lose the fact that 99% of us would much rather be riding on the road, but many of us can't for whatever reason, last winter was a main factor and this year, well sadly my wife has been diagnosed with Grade 3 Cancer, she needs me with her at every opportunity, am I a lesser cyclist because I don't ride on the road when conditions or circumstances dictate?
In life let people be, joking or otherwise, no need for knocking anyone even in jest the OP asked a genuine question, what right do any of us have to knock him, he should be applauded for not being defeated by conditions or circumstances and is still getting on a bike and training.0 -
APIII wrote:Velonutter wrote:You know there's a load of old tosh talked on here sometimes :shock: :roll:
Of course you count the miles but record it as turbo miles, my 40 miles on the turbo are far more painful than any road ride and before anyone says anything I do ride in the dark.
What is the point of going out in the bad exceptionally cold weather just to ride a flaming bike, it isn't enjoyable and you are risking your health as well, far better to do a structured training session and improve your performance far better than a road ride with cold muscles and risk catching a cold as well.
As long as the wheels and cranks are turning under your own steam it counts, next thing people will be saying is that when you freewheel down a hill it don't count!!! :roll:
I thought this thread was tongue in cheek, tbh. I didn't realise people actually cared if I record my miles on a turbo or not
It's the 'trainspotter' genus of cyclist that cares My pen won't write on the screen0 -
Velonutter wrote:In life let people be, joking or otherwise, no need for knocking anyone even in jest the OP asked a genuine question, what right do any of us have to knock him, he should be applauded for not being defeated by conditions or circumstances and is still getting on a bike and training.
Who is knocking the original poster? Deliberately stirring stuff up isn't the way to take the high moral ground Faster than a tent.......0 -
Rolf F wrote:Velonutter wrote:In life let people be, joking or otherwise, no need for knocking anyone even in jest the OP asked a genuine question, what right do any of us have to knock him, he should be applauded for not being defeated by conditions or circumstances and is still getting on a bike and training.
Who is knocking the original poster? Deliberately stirring stuff up isn't the way to take the high moral ground
I got the impression that the OP wasnt 'training' - just making up miles on his turbo and wanting to log them in his 'little black book'.
Turbo work is 100% if you use parameters like power output, not 'speed'... pretty irrelevant for indoor cycling.0 -
Oh for heavens sake. When people speak to you, do they ever do it with a smile and a touch of lightness? That's what I did, to you, a smiley "no-one cares really but here's why Stats doesn't", and you've gone off on a rant. Blimey - I wish I hadn't bothered to offer an opinion on a cycling advice forum.Velonutter wrote:CiB you are assuming that people sitting on their asses are able to watch newsnight and your comments about proper cyclist is OTT.
Pray tell me where did the OP mentioning anything about SC Stats, it was you and Rolf F who bought that up.
If you think my Turbo sessions are easy and you could even think about television then your welcome to try and maintain the same pace as me on my turbo and I ain't brilliant, but I average in a 53/11 a cadence of 106 at an average of 34-36mph, your breathing through your ass at that performance, I ain't ever had to push that hard on the road, in fact I couldn't get anywhere near that!
I know many people who do most of their training on a turbo and could whip most peoples asses, take Lynn Taylor the current LEJOG record holder, she does 99% of her training on a turbo with a structured plan from her coach.
Lets not lose the fact that 99% of us would much rather be riding on the road, but many of us can't for whatever reason, last winter was a main factor and this year, well sadly my wife has been diagnosed with Grade 3 Cancer, she needs me with her at every opportunity, am I a lesser cyclist because I don't ride on the road when conditions or circumstances dictate?
In life let people be, joking or otherwise, no need for knocking anyone even in jest the OP asked a genuine question, what right do any of us have to knock him, he should be applauded for not being defeated by conditions or circumstances and is still getting on a bike and training.
In all of my offerings on this subject, all I've consistently said is that if the OP wants to he can, and no-one will threaten him, or tell him he's wrong or mad. There is no right or wrong. No-one really cares in the end. Stats came up because Rolf - who's prominent on Commuting, and maybe a few other places here - made a light comment that tied in with the concensus on that particular peice of stupidity that we call SC Stats, that indoor miles don't count. The reference to watching Newsnight was a bit of a jest. Gawd help us when there are people who can't see that and can't wait to jump down someone's throat for daring to suggest that turbo miles aren't diifficult. I know they are, I've done enough. But the point that you completely missed was that in a ridiculous commuters' competition based on who's done the most miles, it really isn't cricket to claim 30 miles in that 'competition' (willy waving actually...) if those miles have been done in the kitchen. That's all.
Congratulations on your superb ability, and commiserations on your domestic circumstances that prevent you getting out as much as you'd like. But do try to read not just the words, but the tone and the meaning in other people's posts. I really don't see anything in this thread that warrants an outburst like this. Like Rolf said, it's important to be nice. I thought I'd done that personally. Never mind eh.
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softlad wrote:geebee2 wrote:It's quite simple - turbo miles count double :evil:
I would be inclided to agree with that - although I don't do it myself...
+2
That's why i have'nt been on the bl**dy thing since last winter TT photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/steverob/0 -
training for a sport can be sub divided , its not a problem , its the application of how you train that makes the fundemental differance and how it relates to the desired end result
by targeting the training to attack the body differantly can and often will produce dramatic results , non related training to a specific sport can not only target weaknesses and strenghen muscles and endurance it can be quicker and more benificial than direct training for your sport in the short term ,
winter or off season training should never be looked at as something just to do ,
you need to distinguish between a pro sportsman and an amateur , the training is related but cant be done the same simply because their are other factors involved in his recovery rates and how he achieves that recovery rate and workload and the dynamics of what training has gone before he reached that leval and how he has done it
training should be viewed as building a pyramid with the need to keep going back to the bottom of it and adding more at the base .
put bluntly to say that turbo training is no good is talking tosh ,0 -
JGSI wrote:Rolf F wrote:Velonutter wrote:In life let people be, joking or otherwise, no need for knocking anyone even in jest the OP asked a genuine question, what right do any of us have to knock him, he should be applauded for not being defeated by conditions or circumstances and is still getting on a bike and training.
Who is knocking the original poster? Deliberately stirring stuff up isn't the way to take the high moral ground
I got the impression that the OP wasnt 'training' - just making up miles on his turbo and wanting to log them in his 'little black book'.
Turbo work is 100% if you use parameters like power output, not 'speed'... pretty irrelevant for indoor cycling.
Why would speed be an irrelevant factor for indoor cycling? Are you suggesting it doesn't take more effort to go 'faster' on a turbo? There are some excellent training programmes out there that use HR combined with either speed (or cadence) in certain gears, by using the two factors combined you can increase the intensity of the workout as your programme develops.0
