Cyclist attacks driver in Hove

Heckler1974
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edited December 2010 in The bottom bracket
Driver attacked by cyclist in HoveA driver suffered serious head injuries when he was attacked by a cyclist in Hove.

Sussex Police said the 52-year-old was getting out of his car in Portland Road just after noon on Sunday when the incident happened.

They believe the driver may have opened his door, causing a group of three cyclists to swerve out of the way.

One of the cyclists, who was wearing green cargo trousers and had thick stubble, then attacked the driver.

The victim was taken to the Royal Sussex County Hospital in Brighton and later transferred to Hurstwood Park in Haywards Heath.

A police spokeswoman said the victim remained unconscious but was in a stable condition.
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Sobering eh? It's one thing to vent your frustration by shouting, obviously quite another to punch someone and potentially ruin yours and the person's life.
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  • freehub
    freehub Posts: 4,257
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  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    One of the cyclists, who was wearing green cargo trousers and had thick stubble, then attacked the driver.

    Mountain biker.

    No seriously this is ridiculous. We all get angry and talk about d-locking hapless drivers and pedestrians, but to beat someone to within an inch of their life...
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  • Heckler1974
    Heckler1974 Posts: 479
    freehub wrote:
    Need more details.

    If you insist:
    Cyclist sought over attack on driver in Hove
    Police believe the driver may have caused a group of cyclists to swerve Continue reading the main story
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    Driver injured in cyclist attack
    Police have named a man they want to speak to in connection with a serious assault on a driver in Hove.

    A 52-year-old man suffered serious head injuries when he was attacked by a cyclist in Portland Road just after 1200 GMT on Sunday.

    Sussex Police believe he may have opened his door, causing three cyclists to swerve out of the way.

    Detectives said they wanted to speak to a man called Paul, believed to be from the Seven Dials area of Brighton.

    One of the cyclists, who was wearing green cargo trousers and had thick stubble, attacked the driver.

    The victim was taken to the Royal Sussex County Hospital in Brighton and later transferred to Hurstwood Park in Haywards Heath, where his condition is said to be critical but stable.

    'Skate park regular'

    Det Insp Lee Horner said: "Extensive enquiries have been made by a team of detectives working on this case.

    "I am now keen to speak to a man called Paul, who may be able to significantly assist us with this investigation.

    "He is believed to live in the Seven Dials area of Brighton, possibly near Brighton and Hove Sixth Form Centre, and is known to visit The Level and Brighton skate park regularly.

    "I am appealing directly to Paul and to anyone who thinks they know him to come forward."

    Paul is described as white, in his late 30s about 6ft tall, with a distinctive shaped nose and dark brown greying hair.

    A 36-year-old man from Brighton was arrested on Tuesday and released without charge.

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  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    He`s in his late 30s and he still goes to the skate park, what a loser.
    Smarter than the average bear.
  • Stick8267
    Stick8267 Posts: 154
    This is awful.

    I've stopped venting my frustration in either direction these days, whether driving or cycling.

    Over the years in Hackney seen two cyclists beaten to the point of intensive care and one dragged off her bike, stabbed and killed as a result of road rage.

    Not worth it. Let the anger out through the pedals!
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    Stick8267 wrote:
    This is awful.

    I've stopped venting my frustration in either direction these days, whether driving or cycling.

    Over the years in Hackney seen two cyclists beaten to the point of intensive care and one dragged off her bike, stabbed and killed as a result of road rage.
    Not worth it. Let the anger out through the pedals!

    If I ever need a reminder as to why I don't want to live in the "Great Metropolis" that'll do it :shock:
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • dannc
    dannc Posts: 15
    Not everyone who owns a bike is a cyclist and when i say own i mean ride
  • spen666
    spen666 Posts: 17,709
    dannc wrote:
    Not everyone who owns a bike is a cyclist and when i say own i mean ride

    whether you like it or not, someone who rides a bike is a cyclist

    they may not be a committed cyclist like you or the sort of person you want to be included in the same class as you, but sadly they are.
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  • Buppy (banned)
    Buppy (banned) Posts: 38
    They should be reporting driver punching cyclist incidents in the papers - only it would probably take up half the space in the paper. :(
  • Heckler1974
    Heckler1974 Posts: 479
    The coverage of this incident in local rag :
    The Argus
    And the comments underneth seem to underline Spen's point nicely, man on bike = cyclist and the usual anti-cyclist banter begins.
  • Buppy (banned)
    Buppy (banned) Posts: 38
    spen666 wrote:
    dannc wrote:
    Not everyone who owns a bike is a cyclist and when i say own i mean ride

    whether you like it or not, someone who rides a bike is a cyclist

    they may not be a committed cyclist like you or the sort of person you want to be included in the same class as you, but sadly they are.

    I agree - like this little chappie
    http://www.dogguide.net/blog/2008/04/do ... s-bicycle/

    Something should be done about cyclists' flea problems and their incessant barking keeping people up half the night. :lol:
  • ratsbeyfus
    ratsbeyfus Posts: 2,841
    Heckler1974 wrote:
    The coverage of this incident in local rag :
    The Argus
    And the comments underneth seem to underline Spen's point nicely, man on bike = cyclist and the usual anti-cyclist banter begins.

    To be fair almost all the comments on the Argus website stories are made by raving loons that make Daily Mail readers' letters seem reasonable. I used to think the comments by these knee-jerking dimwits were funny until I realised that my kids were growing up in the same town as these nasties.

    I had one of them red bikes but I don't any more. Sad face.

    @ratsbey
  • rf6
    rf6 Posts: 323
    Link here states the cyclist was arrested and released without charge.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-11739525
  • Heckler1974
    Heckler1974 Posts: 479
    rf6 wrote:
    Link here states the cyclist was arrested and released without charge.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-11739525

    No, A cyclist handed himself in and was released without charge, i.e. one of the other cyclists, not the "cyclist" who commited the assault.
  • toontra
    toontra Posts: 1,160
    I was doored a couple of weeks ago and the anger I felt surprised me. I ranted and swore at the guy for quite a while. It happened so suddenly that reason played no part in what I did. I've since wondered how I'd react if an offender got mouthy and defensive (which to his credit this guy didn't - he apologised right off). I'm not sure I can say I wouldn't get physical in the right circumstances.

    But regarding the OP from what I understand he only had to swerve -seems tike a total over-reaction. I guess he has a low trigger threshold and probably "anger-management" issues.

    a serious case of small cogs
  • spen666
    spen666 Posts: 17,709
    Heckler1974 wrote:
    rf6 wrote:
    Link here states the cyclist was arrested and released without charge.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-11739525

    No, A cyclist handed himself in and was released without charge, i.e. one of the other cyclists, not the "cyclist" who commited the assault.

    not sure how you reach this logic. If you are correct, then the police have committed an illegal arrest.

    Police can only arrest someone if they have grounds to suspect THEY have committed the offence for which they are being arrested.

    The release without charge bit is not unusual, indeed it is what I would expect. It is not clear from the story, but I suspect he was released on bail whilst the police go to the CPS for a charging decision. Unless the suspect has admitted the offence, the police need to get authority to charge from the CPS and normally suspect would be released on police bail to enable this to be done.

    Also I suspect police will still be trying to trace more witnesses to the incident before putting file to the CPS
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  • Heckler1974
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    spen666 wrote:
    not sure how you reach this logic. If you are correct, then the police have committed an illegal arrest.

    Police can only arrest someone if they have grounds to suspect THEY have committed the offence for which they are being arrested.

    The release without charge bit is not unusual, indeed it is what I would expect. It is not clear from the story, but I suspect he was released on bail whilst the police go to the CPS for a charging decision. Unless the suspect has admitted the offence, the police need to get authority to charge from the CPS and normally suspect would be released on police bail to enable this to be done.

    Also I suspect police will still be trying to trace more witnesses to the incident before putting file to the CPS

    Just to be clear, if you read the article a 35 year old man was arrested and is being questioned (I suspect this is the 'Paul' suspect police were seeking), a 36 year old man handed himself into police and was released without charge, i.e. presumably one of the other cyclists involved.

    The reporting on this is a bit wooly to be fair....
  • Heckler1974
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    ratsbeyfus wrote:
    To be fair almost all the comments on the Argus website stories are made by raving loons that make Daily Mail readers' letters seem reasonable. I used to think the comments by these knee-jerking dimwits were funny until I realised that my kids were growing up in the same town as these nasties.

    Absolutely, the Argus comments page is either a vent for some seriously bonkers people or a clever exercise in online devil's advocat role playing. I wish it were the latter, I fear it is is the former, as like you I probably live and work near of these folks. :shock:
  • spen666
    spen666 Posts: 17,709
    Heckler1974 wrote:
    spen666 wrote:
    not sure how you reach this logic. If you are correct, then the police have committed an illegal arrest.

    Police can only arrest someone if they have grounds to suspect THEY have committed the offence for which they are being arrested.

    The release without charge bit is not unusual, indeed it is what I would expect. It is not clear from the story, but I suspect he was released on bail whilst the police go to the CPS for a charging decision. Unless the suspect has admitted the offence, the police need to get authority to charge from the CPS and normally suspect would be released on police bail to enable this to be done.

    Also I suspect police will still be trying to trace more witnesses to the incident before putting file to the CPS


    Just to be clear, if you read the article a 35 year old man was arrested and is being questioned (I suspect this is the 'Paul' suspect police were seeking), a 36 year old man handed himself into police and was released without charge, i.e. presumably one of the other cyclists involved.

    The reporting on this is a bit wooly to be fair....


    Are there different versions of this story.


    following the links on this site, I could only see reference to one person being arrested (36 year old) and police loking for another one.

    I think you may have a more up to date link than I've seen.

    This is always a problem with internet stories, they can be updated and people read different versions

    Alternatively, I have not read properly the articles linked here
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  • downfader
    downfader Posts: 3,686
    Heckler1974 wrote:
    ratsbeyfus wrote:
    To be fair almost all the comments on the Argus website stories are made by raving loons that make Daily Mail readers' letters seem reasonable. I used to think the comments by these knee-jerking dimwits were funny until I realised that my kids were growing up in the same town as these nasties.

    Absolutely, the Argus comments page is either a vent for some seriously bonkers people or a clever exercise in online devil's advocat role playing. I wish it were the latter, I fear it is is the former, as like you I probably live and work near of these folks. :shock:

    You didnt read the two comments on there by the two idiots telling motorists to deliberately run us over, then I take it? One of the guys on CC told me he'd reported them and I think they were removed. It was a bit weird, like a motorist's jihad. :shock: :lol:
  • Heckler1974
    Heckler1974 Posts: 479
    :shock: No. Now I am very afraid......
  • Heckler1974
    Heckler1974 Posts: 479
    Man charged over Hove road rage beating
    3:37pm Friday 12th November 2010

    A man has been charged over a road rage attack in Hove.

    Paul Lambeth, 35, of Stafford Road, Brighton, is accused of attacking Tony Magdi in Portland Road on Sunday, November 7.

    Sussex Police said Mr Magdi, 52, was attacked after opening his car door in the path of three cyclists.

    One of the cyclists then attacked him, leaving him with a serious headwound.

    He is still in a stable but critical condition at Hurstwood Park Neurosciences Centre at Haywards Heath.

    Lambeth was arrested on Thursday and charged today with causing grievous bodily harm without intent. He is due to appear at Brighton Magistrates' Court tomorrow morning.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Sounds like a nutter.
    _
  • Heckler1974
    Heckler1974 Posts: 479
    Exactly, on foot, car or whatever he'd eventually have had an altercation that ended this way, unluckily he was on a bike so it's another excuse for the antis to blame the ills of the world on cyclists.
  • StillGoing
    StillGoing Posts: 5,211
    I think the term "cyclist" is being loosely used. More than likely it's just a thug who happened to be riding a bike. Writing "Mindless moron attacks man in street" doesn't grab the headlines as much as "Cyclist attacks car driver".
    I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.
  • Mike67
    Mike67 Posts: 585
    philthy3 wrote:
    I think the term "cyclist" is being loosely used. More than likely it's just a thug who happened to be riding a bike. Writing "Mindless moron attacks man in street" doesn't grab the headlines as much as "Cyclist attacks car driver".

    It's not really the terminology 'cyclist', 'driver' etc. it's more an issue of the general publics attitude to these things.
    We like to categorise and stereotype and this is what the media panders to.

    After all the driver may also be a cyclist and the 'cyclist' may well drive.
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  • Mettan
    Mettan Posts: 2,103
    downfader wrote:
    One of the guys on CC told me he'd reported them and I think they were removed. It was a bit weird, like a motorist's jihad. :shock: :lol:

    Off topic, but I think Jealousy is at the root of a significant percentage of motorists irritation ( re. Roadies in particular).
  • downfader
    downfader Posts: 3,686
    Mettan wrote:
    downfader wrote:
    One of the guys on CC told me he'd reported them and I think they were removed. It was a bit weird, like a motorist's jihad. :shock: :lol:

    Off topic, but I think Jealousy is at the root of a significant percentage of motorists irritation ( re. Roadies in particular).

    Jealousy is something I have pointed to for years... jealous that we can filter past long lines of traffic (along with m/cyclists), jealous that we are free from certain taxation and running costs.. jealous even of our physical ability and physiques

    This is why I joked we might be Nietzsche's Supermen on here last year. We put the effort in. :wink::lol:
  • downfader
    downfader Posts: 3,686
    Update:

    http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/8635977. ... ge_attack/
  • Ber Nard
    Ber Nard Posts: 827
    The Argus really are trying to stir the sh!t, aren't they?

    Compare Friday's report:

    http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/8634941. ... e_beating/

    with Saturday's:

    http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/8635977. ... ge_attack/

    Maybe I'm biased and being cynical, but I fail to see how his enthusiasm for cycling or his weekly mileage has anything to do with this.

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