Australian Cricket

northernneil
northernneil Posts: 1,549
edited November 2010 in The bottom bracket
I watched them get utterly destroyed by Sri Lanka on Sunday morning. This side is a shadow of the previous incarnations. The decline has been quite remarkable and very sharp. I know the test side is batting wise is still ok-ish with clarke, ponting and hussey but bowling wise they have nothing to scare anyone at all.

we will win the ashes quite comfortably, cant wait for it to start now

interesting article this morning in the guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/nov/01/ashes-australia-interest-waning?CMP=twt_gu

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  • bobtbuilder
    bobtbuilder Posts: 1,537
    I think it will be a very close series.

    Although good at home, some of the England bowlers struggle in non swing-friendly conditions. Anderson is world class in England, but gets battered in conditions that don't suit him. Broad could suffer the same fate.

    I think Swann could swing it for you to win 3-2, and Finn could be a revelation with the sharp bounce you get on our pitches, especially perth.

    Come on you Aussies!!!! :D
  • Alain Quay
    Alain Quay Posts: 534
    Please frame this: "we will win the ashes quite comfortably, cant wait for it to start now "

    The T20 team is not the test team. Also, Australia will bring in one or two new guys.
    It will not be a rout.
  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    As an England supporter I think me we may nick it by a test, talk of winning comfortably is ridiculous.

    The conditions are a factor for the English bowlers as previously said but also a different make of ball is used too.
  • Stewie Griffin
    Stewie Griffin Posts: 4,330
    The game against Sri Lanka was a T20, irrelevant to proper cricket. Bobtbuilder is right, I think its going to be very close. Our Bowlers are great in helpful conditions but can be close to fodder in difficult conditions, Broad has to adjust his attitude and Pieterson needs to be dropped so he can go back and learn the basics, sod your stupid flamingo shot if you cant play a cover drive without nicking it to the slips. I do think that the Ausbos are rattled though, no talk of Bunnies, sacking selectors and trying to wind up our team just because they largely arent actually English suggests they might be panicking a bit :lol:
  • Stewie Griffin
    Stewie Griffin Posts: 4,330
    verylonglegs wrote:
    As an England supporter I think me we may nick it by a test, talk of winning comfortably is ridiculous.

    The conditions are a factor for the English bowlers as previously said but also a different make of ball is used too.

    Good point, I had forgotten about their awful no shape, no swing, no bounce after 5 overs kookabura ball.
  • deptfordmarmoset
    deptfordmarmoset Posts: 3,118
    Yes, I reckon it will be a pretty close-run series. With a Duke ball in British conditions, England can beat just about anybody. With a Kookaburra in non-swinging conditions with a hostile bunch of spectators - we can trust the ACB to make England really feel that they're far away from home - it isn't going to be easy. The Aussies will really up their game for the Ashes.

    Still, with Australia in a stage of relative decline and England relatively on the up, there's a better chance of victory than there's been for a good old while. I'll have my fingers crossed and get lots of rest in before the tour starts - there's going to be a lot of sleepless nights for me this winter.

    EDIT: Stewie, ''Ausbos'' is a great name :lol:
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  • Alain Quay
    Alain Quay Posts: 534
    Meanwhile, looking forward to the Wallabies, who beat the All Blacks on Saturday,
    playing England at Twickers.
  • northernneil
    northernneil Posts: 1,549
    lost 3 consequtive test matches
    not won in any format of the game since mid-July

    I stand by my statement, they dont have a decent spinner or a hostile bouncy pace bowler, we have both (fitness permitting as always with England) and I stand by my statement

    We are going to retire Ponting !!
  • Stewie Griffin
    Stewie Griffin Posts: 4,330
    northernneil wrote:
    lost 3 consequtive test matches
    not won in any format of the game since mid-July

    I stand by my statement, they dont have a decent spinner or a hostile bouncy pace bowler, we have both (fitness permitting as always with England) and I stand by my statement

    We are going to retire Ponting !!

    Dont get me wrong, I really hope that you are right and we have a win over there as it hasnt happened in a while. Its just that some journos seem to have it wrapped up already.
  • d_retallack
    d_retallack Posts: 27
    I think our bowling attack is over rated, Broad should be ok Finn took some easy wickets against Bangladesh not really bowled to world class batting line up. Hopefully Anderson can keep his confidence but Swann is world class.

    England need to win or at worse draw the first test, going to be very tight series
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  • Bugly
    Bugly Posts: 520
    northernneil wrote:
    lost 3 consequtive test matches
    not won in any format of the game since mid-July

    I stand by my statement, they dont have a decent spinner or a hostile bouncy pace bowler, we have both (fitness permitting as always with England) and I stand by my statement

    We are going to retire Ponting !!

    The tests in India were close - poor umpiring and lack of third umpire gave the indians an edge - I think the English would have suffered the same result in India. The last ashes series in the UK was hardley a route - and the English team hasnt done well in Australia for a long time. It is the best team England has sent in a while but the heat, the humidity in Brisbane and the length of the tour is going to tell. Even with Hussey and North the batting is almost on par with England - (I dont think they will finish the series) - the bowling, although I think the English bowlers are better on paper, will also be pretty even.

    TOO close to call in my yes
  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    northernneil wrote:
    lost 3 consequtive test matches
    not won in any format of the game since mid-July

    I stand by my statement, they dont have a decent spinner or a hostile bouncy pace bowler, we have both (fitness permitting as always with England) and I stand by my statement

    We are going to retire Ponting !!

    Whilst we were beating a 2nd rate Bangledeshi side and playing a Pakistan side who's commitment and desire was possibly available to the highest bidder. I think this is Ponting's last ashes series anyway, he fails to regain it he's obviously gone as you say but if he wins it he'll probably want to go out on top rather than risk coming to England again and losing it for a 3rd time.
  • geordieindevon
    geordieindevon Posts: 127
    deptfordmarmoset wrote:
    Yes, I reckon it will be a pretty close-run series. With a Duke ball in British conditions, England can beat just about anybody. With a Kookaburra in non-swinging conditions with a hostile bunch of spectators - we can trust the ACB to make England really feel that they're far away from home - it isn't going to be easy. The Aussies will really up their game for the Ashes.


    EDIT: Stewie, ''Ausbos'' is a great name :lol:

    Could not agree more...10 years ago I went to the MCG Boxing day test and tbh it was more like a football match...the aussie crowd were hostile and the mentality of the australian nation is simply win, win, win! No place for losers.

    Mind you the police and ground staff were quick to eject anyone who was too pissed and went over the top with their comments.also anyone who went on the field of play were arrested and faced a $2000 fine!
    ..a great day out though 72,000 attendance and quite surreal to be drinking beer in 35 degree heat, watching cricket on boxing day! :D
  • squired
    squired Posts: 1,153
    The problem with England is that out batting lineup is suspect.

    Strauss may get a lot of runs or hardly any (it seems to be one or the other with him).
    Cook did not fix all of his issues by scoring a ton in the summer, so could do badly.
    Trott should do well.
    KP could be a disaster.
    Collingwood seems to be dreadfully out of form 90% of the time.
    etc.

    We need some of the above to show something in the warmup games before I'm getting any hopes up about the Ashes. We do have match winners though in the form of Swann and Broad.
  • deptfordmarmoset
    deptfordmarmoset Posts: 3,118
    squired wrote:
    The problem with England is that out batting lineup is suspect.

    Strauss may get a lot of runs or hardly any (it seems to be one or the other with him).
    Cook did not fix all of his issues by scoring a ton in the summer, so could do badly.
    Trott should do well.
    KP could be a disaster.
    Collingwood seems to be dreadfully out of form 90% of the time.
    etc.

    We need some of the above to show something in the warmup games before I'm getting any hopes up about the Ashes. We do have match winners though in the form of Swann and Broad.

    Strangely, I thought that England's batting recently has been a bit more resilient than for a long time - certainly wickets have tumbled too fast but there has often been at least one person to - changing game metaphor - step up to the plate. For a long time there was no one who could do that. This resilience will get tested but at least it's there to be tested in the first place.
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  • northernneil
    northernneil Posts: 1,549
    Well after this mornings amazing result I now certainly stand by my decision !!! 6 defeats in all games on the spin now for the aussies with clarkes captaincy a mess ....

    one of the biggest defeats from the jaws of victory in the history of sport..

    sri lanka 1 by ONE wicket having put on ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY TWO for the LAST wicket !!!!

    astonishing
  • Mothyman
    Mothyman Posts: 655
    .... I feel uneasy when Aussies go into Ashes off so many losses - they will be up for it....our bowling attack is missing a special performer - unless the track takes spin.....and I reckon Ponting , Clarke and at least one other (Hussey or Watson)are gonna hit a lot of runs.... they may not win many but they wont lose easily either....
  • Alain Quay
    Alain Quay Posts: 534
    Northernneil:

    Fourth test v Australia,, last Ashes series in Australia.

    "Strauss appeared to have embarked on a good partnership and brought the score to 2/101. . ..England subsequently collapsed and finished all out for 159 "

    English cricket wrote the book on defeat from the jaws of victory.
  • Alain Quay
    Alain Quay Posts: 534
    :lol:
  • Stewie Griffin
    Stewie Griffin Posts: 4,330
    Am watching the highlights now. :lol:
  • northernneil
    northernneil Posts: 1,549
    Alain Quay wrote:
    Northernneil:

    Fourth test v Australia,, last Ashes series in Australia.

    "Strauss appeared to have embarked on a good partnership and brought the score to 2/101. . ..England subsequently collapsed and finished all out for 159 "

    English cricket wrote the book on defeat from the jaws of victory.

    159 .... so not like 88 in a few months back then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMSJBBGi13c

    and this game was no battling collapse which can happen, but a bowling collapse ???

    you Aussies are toast
  • Stewie Griffin
    Stewie Griffin Posts: 4,330
    northernneil wrote:
    Alain Quay wrote:
    Northernneil:

    Fourth test v Australia,, last Ashes series in Australia.

    "Strauss appeared to have embarked on a good partnership and brought the score to 2/101. . ..England subsequently collapsed and finished all out for 159 "

    English cricket wrote the book on defeat from the jaws of victory.

    159 .... so not like 88 in a few months back then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMSJBBGi13c

    and this game was no battling collapse which can happen, but a bowling collapse ???

    you Aussies are toast

    Bowling collapse :lol:
  • Alain Quay
    Alain Quay Posts: 534
    You've still cornered the market:

    Trinidad 1994: England 46 all out
    Kingston 2009: England 51 all out :lol:
    Edgbaston 1995: England 89 all out :oops:
    129 all out, 2nd innings, vs Australia, 2nd Test, Adelaide, 1-5 December 2006
    162 all out, 2nd innings, vs New Zealand, 4th Test, The Oval, August 19-22 1999
    203 all out, 1st innings, vs South Africa, 2nd Test, Headingley, 18-21 July 2008
    155 all out, 1st innings, vs Australia, 1st Test, Lords, 21-24 July 2005
    102 all out, 1st innings, vs Australia, 4th Test, 7 August 2009
  • northernneil
    northernneil Posts: 1,549
    1995 !!!

    jeez I was still at school man,

    look in non of those matches did we let a number 9 score 132 to win a match, only weeks after being bowled out for 88 .....

    look australia have BIG problems, you batting is not as good as ours NOW .... Hussey struggling for form and Clarke being stabbed in the back cos he is a hopeless ODI captain, we have players batting for places in our top 6.

    we also have the worlds best spinner last year compared to your bowlers who just lack any threat of old, some called loser called siddle and a guy named after a part of france known for sparkling wine aint gonna threaten anyone.

    For the first time in years and years NOBODY IS SCARED OF AUSTRALIA any more.

    You're just a normal, average, middle of the road team

    and your gonna get spanked in your own back yard (just like Sri Lanka are doing to you now)
  • bobtbuilder
    bobtbuilder Posts: 1,537
    northernneil wrote:
    1995 !!!

    jeez I was still at school man,

    look in non of those matches did we let a number 9 score 132 to win a match, only weeks after being bowled out for 88 .....

    look australia have BIG problems, you batting is not as good as ours NOW .... Hussey struggling for form and Clarke being stabbed in the back cos he is a hopeless ODI captain, we have players batting for places in our top 6.

    we also have the worlds best spinner last year compared to your bowlers who just lack any threat of old, some called loser called siddle and a guy named after a part of france known for sparkling wine aint gonna threaten anyone.

    For the first time in years and years NOBODY IS SCARED OF AUSTRALIA any more.

    You're just a normal, average, middle of the road team

    and your gonna get spanked in your own back yard (just like Sri Lanka are doing to you now)

    Can someone make this thread a sticky?

    Northernneil - i've just ordered you some humble pie. Should be ready in time for the Boxing Day test. :D

    You haven't won a series Down Under in nearly 30 years. One of, if not the worst record in test cricket.

    You are essentially a world class (sometimes) team at home and an utter shambles on tour - hence your yo-yo test rating. Your pace bowlers are a joke when playing outside England.

    Anderson + Broad - swing = cannon fodder. :lol:
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    We may retain the Ashes but I think the Aussies will have the first laughs as they thrash Wales on Saturday (which I will be attending) and then England :(

    I think the series will be tight as even the poorest Aussie side I can remember will dig deep to avoid losing in this series and, as others have pointed out, English players thrive in English conditions and when using a proper cricket ball. I suspect as the Aussies don't have a genuine spinner any more that they will also be doing all they can to prevent pitches taking turn. It will be interesting to see if KP will regain his form and I don't think our batting is that strong, in the summer pretty much every match relied on one or two batsmen getting runs and then the bowlers finishing off the opposition but there was very little consistency. I think Finn may find Oz to his liking though and be the deciding factor.
  • northernneil
    northernneil Posts: 1,549
    WAHAY !!!!! 7th straight defeat on the trot, hehehehe this is funny now

    Australian bowling is certainly lacking a spinner, that Smith looks like upper class twit of the year and the other bowlers have comedy names:-

    hilfenhouse ? - german prefabricated building
    bolinger ? - wouldnt bother putting it on ice
    Siddle ? - siddle name
    Hauritz ? - prostitute in a posh hotel
    Nannes ? - foriegn childminder
  • Stewie Griffin
    Stewie Griffin Posts: 4,330
    Mcc member mate has ordered our tickets for the Lords tests against Sri Lanka and India next Summer. Will pop into the museum when there to see the urn after we retain it :wink:
  • bobtbuilder
    bobtbuilder Posts: 1,537
    Pretty good article http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/oliverbrett/2010/11/australias_downward_spiral.html

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