XTR Trail 2x10 or X0 2x10?

Dick Scruttock

Which would people go for and why?

I am currently running 3x9 X0 and am looking to change to 2x10 and am looking at my options.

I believe both come out at a similar weight overall and i dont really have any personal preference to either. The only thing i have is sram compatible matchmaker clamps for my formula brakes.

wilkij1975

If I were buying, i'd go XTR simply for the look.

cat_with_no_tail

wilkij1975 wrote:

If I were buying, i'd go X-0 because it's better

Seriously though!

Dick Scruttock

One thing thats annoyed me with the X0 is the carbon crank arms seem to be a bit fragile for the area i ride. Mine have taken some rick hits and one has resulted in slight de-lamination.

I have not really had any experience of the latest shimano kit to compare.

Dick Scruttock

Anymore for anymore?

njee20

Mix and match. SRAM ratios are better, Shimano have missed the point by having close ratios IMO, combine with whichever shifters you like most. I've had XX all year and found it great, running XTR next year, which I'm sure will be as good!

thel33ter

I would go for XTR, but I can't see it happening for a looooooong time

supersonic

Need to look at ratios as above.

Dick Scruttock

So am I ok running say a xx cassette and xtr mechs and shifters? I guess the only thing not compatible is still using shimano mechs with sram shifters and vica versa?

Njee would you always go for the double option up front now with a 10 speed cassette?

njee20

I'd been using a double with 9 speed since 2006, I wouldn't go back to a triple for anything.

Yes that combo will be fine, they've tried to claim it won't work and that your cassette won't match, but plenty of people are interchanging cassettes.

As you say, mech and shifters much match, and must also match generation, you can't use 9 speed Shimano/SRAM mechs with 10 speed shifters, and vice versa.

sunderland56

I voted with my wallet - XTR trail on order. I went with the triple, but I'm mounting a chain gude so it will be a double on the bike.

Dunno what people are on about it being too close ratio - 11-34 and 11-36 cassettes are actually wider than I wanted, a 11-32 would be better. The sram cassette is a bit lighter, but expensive. In my experience an all-Shimano drivetrain shifts better too.

Chunkers1980

They mean the gaps not over all difference.

Chunkers1980

You're missing the point here - going to 36 rear means you can run a bigger granny for the same ratio as a 32 and use it more. Look like dishes though.

Chunkers1980

Oh and the 9 spd powerdome? is a different kettle of fish to a PC970 cassette.

Dick Scruttock

Where have people been buying there 2011 XTR from? CRC have not got any stock of it yet.

njee20

If you're wanting to run 11-32 then 10 speed's a waste IMO. The whole point is the wider cassette facilitates two rings up front without losing too many gears. Otherwise you're just adding the weight of another sprocket and making the gaps smaller - which isn't an issue on the MTB IMO YMMV HTH (just to get another acronym in there).

camerone

Rick Draper wrote:

Where have people been buying there 2011 XTR from? CRC have not got any stock of it yet.

LBS. i have entire 2011 group including hubs and brakes, sat on new bike ready for first ride tomorrow.

spongtastic

I'm a scrooge so whatever I could get second hand cheapest.

lawman

njee20 wrote:

If you're wanting to run 11-32 then 10 speed's a waste IMO. The whole point is the wider cassette facilitates two rings up front without losing too many gears. Otherwise you're just adding the weight of another sprocket and making the gaps smaller - which isn't an issue on the MTB IMO YMMV HTH (just to get another acronym in there).

what he said, just changed my current drivetrain to a 2x9 with 38/24 front rings and a 12-36 9 spped cassette and its fantastic, will never go back to a triple i dont think, so much better to use, and you can in the "big" ring for most of a ride, i love it.

id go xo personally btw

W00DENT0P

Why not just get 2 new chainrings, and run a 2 x 9 ?
What rings are on the front at the min ? 22/32/44 ? Run something like 24/36, be able to ride anything you could with the 3x9.

njee20

Whilst that certainly does work fine (I did it after all), you do just lose gears doing that, the specific advantage of 10 speed is the wider cassette giving you a more closely comparable range.

As I said above though, I think doubles make far more sense, wouldn't go back to a triple for any bike myself.

andyrm

I'd say X0 because I love the chunky feel of SRAM's shifts and the fact the XO stuff can be rebuilt from component parts just by popping circlips off.

Although I run a b*stard mix & match 2x9 X0/X9 setup with 26/36 Middleburn rings up front and don't see any need to go to 10 speed.

Dick Scruttock

I will go with a double up front and a 11-36 cassette. Just depends what i buy as still undecided. Been thinking and i will just go either with all sram or all shimano.

njee20

Just go with whichever you prefer the shifting ergonomics of then frankly!

supersonic

I like my triple! For my XC bike anyway. For me, if going for the extra weight of a front mech and shifter, 80g for another chainring, that also shares some wear, is not big deal.

But that is me. So many set ups available now that you can just about get any set up you want within reason.

njee20

I must say it's not about the weight saving, which I agree is minimal, it's more about being able to use the whole cassette without shifting on the front.

I personally found a 32t too small for general riding, and the 44 just a bit tall, and the 22 no real use at all. I found I constantly end up shifting from one end of the block to the other, I find the 42 much more usable (particularly with the 36t cassette). YMMV and all that!

Paul 8v

XTR, it's well made, it works and the chainset looks much better I can see the thinking behind the double chainset though, I don't think I've actually used the granny ring on my bikes!

bike-a-swan

supersonic wrote:

I like my triple! For my XC bike anyway. For me, if going for the extra weight of a front mech and shifter, 80g for another chainring, that also shares some wear, is not big deal.

But that is me. So many set ups available now that you can just about get any set up you want within reason.

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