Most Successful Bike Manufacturer.

sonny73
sonny73 Posts: 2,203
edited October 2010 in Pro race
Would anyone know who would or could lay claim to the title of most wins by bike manufacturer historically in pro race terms, or is there a record anywhere of wins by bike manufacturers at Grand Tours for example?
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  • Bernardus
    Bernardus Posts: 136
    edited October 2010
    Peugeot is leading these (team sponsor) rankings, but I don't know wether they were the bike supplier all those years. Those rankings heavily favor regularity (Zoetemelk 3rd, Poulidor 5th) and Peugeot were a sponsor for a very long time.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,241
    Either Bianchi or Peugeot, I'd imagine.

    Edit: Bianchi's palmares (from their website):

    Road
    - 12 Giro d’Italia
    - 3 Tour de France
    - 19 Milano-Sanremo
    - 16 Giro di Lombardia
    - 7 Parigi-Rubaix
    - 4 Liegi-Bastogne-Liegi
    - 5 Flèche Wallonne
    - 4 Amstel Gold Race
    - 4 Grand Prix
    - 2 Vuelta de España
    - 2 Tour of Switzerland
    - 2 Tour of Germany
    - 4 Road World Championship
    - 6 Track World Championships, speed and pursuit
    - 2 Vuelta Pais Vasco
    - 1 UCI Pro Tour
    - 2 Gand Wevelgem
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  • sonny73
    sonny73 Posts: 2,203
    I was thinking Bianchi maybe. Cheers for that info it's interesting.
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    In recent years I would think Trek takes the cake. But not all-time.
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Aren't Peugeot bikes and Bianchi today owned by the same Swedish holding company?
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    Pokerface wrote:
    In recent years I would think Trek takes the cake. But not all-time.

    Only in GT GCs?.. I'd've thought Scott would be up there for the last two years overall...
  • polocini
    polocini Posts: 201
    I dont think this is actually that straight forward. A massive amount of bikes that have been branded as a certain manufacturer may have actually been made by a bespoke frame manufacturer. For many years pros had custom frames made to suit them that were then sprayed in their relevant team colours. There is probably some 80 odd year old italian chap (e.g Pinarello) who can lay claim to crafting more winning frames than any factory.

    AL
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Dario Pegoretti used to make Indurain's "Pinarello" frames. Litespeed for a while made the titanium Peugeots and Bianchis used in the 1990s by the likes of Virenque, Brochard and Berzin.
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    Kléber wrote:
    Aren't Peugeot bikes and Bianchi today owned by the same Swedish holding company?

    Yes plus Gitane and a couple of others. Cycleeurope I think
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  • Scrumple
    Scrumple Posts: 2,665
    For what it is worth, I think the type of bike has little effect on the results.

    Bit of a curiosity more than anything....
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    Scrumple wrote:
    For what it is worth, I think the type of bike has little effect on the results.


    Agreed. It's all about the components. 8)
  • Cannondale have 6 GT's and the bulk of Cipo's wins ... So in terms of the modern manufacturers they must be up there with Trek ...
  • Pinarello = Delgado, Indurain, Riis, Ullrich and Perrero as TdF wins, Indurain Giro, Delgado Vuelta? plus many stages and other races too.
  • Pinarello = Delgado, Indurain, Riis, Ullrich and Perrero as TdF wins, Indurain Giro, Delgado Vuelta? plus many stages and other races too.

    Delgado's Pinarello was a rebadged TVT, as was Indurain's in '91.
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    Peugeot are number one, plus they were the team sponsors and not just the bike supplier.
    You can't argue with 10 tour de France wins plus they are the all time number one team in terms of points.
    They are not owned by Cycleurope (who do own Bianchi and Gitane among others) but thye do build the bikes under licence.
  • TheStone
    TheStone Posts: 2,291
    Polocini wrote:
    I dont think this is actually that straight forward. A massive amount of bikes that have been branded as a certain manufacturer may have actually been made by a bespoke frame manufacturer. For many years pros had custom frames made to suit them that were then sprayed in their relevant team colours. There is probably some 80 odd year old italian chap (e.g Pinarello) who can lay claim to crafting more winning frames than any factory.

    AL

    Does this still happen much?
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  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    PEUGEOT

    10 Tour de France General Classification 1905, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1913, 1914, 1922, 1967, 1975, 1977
    3 Vuelta a España General Classification 1948, 1969, 1971
    6 Milan – San Remo 1907, 1914, 1918, 1964, 1966, 1967
    5 Paris–Roubaix 1904, 1905, 1907, 1913, 1963
    1 Amstel Gold Race 1983
    3 Liège–Bastogne–Liège 1949, 1957, 1967
    2 Grand Prix des Nations 1949, 1962
    6 Paris–Tours 1906, 1907, 1914, 1917, 1951, 1970
    5 Giro di Lombardia 1907, 1908, 1917, 1951, 1970
  • pedro118118
    pedro118118 Posts: 1,102
    TheStone wrote:
    Polocini wrote:
    I dont think this is actually that straight forward. A massive amount of bikes that have been branded as a certain manufacturer may have actually been made by a bespoke frame manufacturer. For many years pros had custom frames made to suit them that were then sprayed in their relevant team colours. There is probably some 80 odd year old italian chap (e.g Pinarello) who can lay claim to crafting more winning frames than any factory.

    AL

    Does this still happen much?

    No.
    Materials and manufacturing methods are such that most frames are very similar.
    Seem to recall Armstrong rode a Trek-badged Litespeed Blade TT bike early on during 'Comeback 1.0', but all the major manufacturers have a full complement of road/TT bikes these days don't they? Most from the same moulds in China/Taiwan.
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    There have been TT bikes rebadged recently since not all sponsors have a top TT frame. I think Walser have supplied some teams.
  • Also the Specialized that Tom Boonen had made with a longer top tube when the regular frame was giving him back problems was made by Viner.
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    Peugeot seem pretty impressive. Do they still make bikes, not seem them about much and noting in the pro tour for awhile.
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    Peugeot seem pretty impressive. Do they still make bikes, not seem them about much and noting in the pro tour for awhile.

    After a few less than impressive years Peugeot have a range of bikes again, though nothing high end. They sold about 25000 this year, but expect more in the future, hopefully.
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    inseine wrote:
    Peugeot seem pretty impressive. Do they still make bikes, not seem them about much and noting in the pro tour for awhile.

    After a few less than impressive years Peugeot have a range of bikes again, though nothing high end. They sold about 25000 this year, but expect more in the future, hopefully.

    Thanks for that, will do a bit of a google later. I assume by high end you mean they don't do carbon frame any more etc.

    Raleigh also seemed to disappear for awhile but starting to see them back a bit of a comeback.

    What about Gios I know they used to be a good frame and still look great when you see them on the road, how many wins would they have ?
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    I assume by high end you mean they don't do carbon frame any more etc.

    They do a carbon frame, just not pro team level.
  • B3rnieMac
    B3rnieMac Posts: 384
    the carbon one on todays homepage looks nice.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Also the Specialized that Tom Boonen had made with a longer top tube when the regular frame was giving him back problems was made by Viner.

    Did not know that. Thought it was Spec doing a one off, specialised one!
  • Also the Specialized that Tom Boonen had made with a longer top tube when the regular frame was giving him back problems was made by Viner.

    Did not know that. Thought it was Spec doing a one off, specialised one!

    Well, in fairness, Specialized don't make their own bikes, they sub it out. So in this case, they got Viner to do it, probably to Spesh's design though. Probably happens alot despite manufactures claims that the pros ride the same bike you can buy in the shop.
  • josame
    josame Posts: 1,162
    sherer wrote:
    Peugeot seem pretty impressive. Do they still make bikes, not seem them about much and noting in the pro tour for awhile.

    Yeah they were at Cycle Show last week and looked ok
    'Do not compare your bike to others, for always there will be greater and lesser bikes'
  • sonny73
    sonny73 Posts: 2,203
    B3rnieMac wrote:
    the carbon one on todays homepage looks nice.
    Funny they should post that: http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/cycle-show-2010-peugeot-return-with-full-range-of-bikes-28098
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    Sonny73 wrote:
    B3rnieMac wrote:
    the carbon one on todays homepage looks nice.
    Funny they should post that: http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/cycle-show-2010-peugeot-return-with-full-range-of-bikes-28098

    looks very nice, would have preferred it in the classic Peugeot colouts, maybe in white with some chequered pattern along the top tube.

    Now we just need a full on test ride