LA 99 Retests
From the Contador Clenbuterol thread
I've heard this referred to many times, often surrounded by much conjecture.
Could somebody tell me the facts please.
What do the UCI, WADA etc say?
I know I know, I'm opening up a big can of worms, people are going to argue about what is and what isn't fact.
sherer wrote:This is what LA used with the 99 retests that were done. They were done on the B sample as I thikn the A had already been tested. As such they can't do another analyse to prove the results and so according to WADA rules it isn't a positive.
I've heard this referred to many times, often surrounded by much conjecture.
Could somebody tell me the facts please.
What do the UCI, WADA etc say?
I know I know, I'm opening up a big can of worms, people are going to argue about what is and what isn't fact.
"Impressive break"
"Thanks...
...I can taste blood"
"Thanks...
...I can taste blood"
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The 'retests' weren't retests at all. It was just research. The testing lab were using the 1999 B samples to practice and refine their detection techniques, not to try to catch dopers. So no protocols were dogmatically adhered to.
The results wouldn't be admissible in any reasonable court as far as I can see (as a non-lawyer).
More info here:
http://velonews.competitor.com/2005/08/tour-de-france/lequipe-alleges-armstrong-samples-show-epo-use-in-99-tour_8740Twitter: @RichN950 -
Thanks Rich
Basically an inadmissable +ve then.
EDIT According to L'Equipe that is"Impressive break"
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...I can taste blood"0 -
There is a view that under the principle of 'absolute liability', there is no need for a B Test where you are talking about the presence of any synthetic substance as there is no naturally incurring reason for it to be there e.g. Contador's plasticizer or LA's EPO.Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..0
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Monty Dog wrote:There is a view that under the principle of 'absolute liability', there is no need for a B Test where you are talking about the presence of any synthetic substance as there is no naturally incurring reason for it to be there e.g. Contador's plasticizer or LA's EPO.
That's a poorly thought out view then. The B test is required to validate the accuracy of the A test and the purity of the sample.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
while we're talking in the past tense (as usual), how about Marice Garin's 1903 B sample retests?0
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Attica wrote:From the Contador Clenbuterol threadsherer wrote:This is what LA used with the 99 retests that were done. They were done on the B sample as I thikn the A had already been tested. As such they can't do another analyse to prove the results and so according to WADA rules it isn't a positive.
I've heard this referred to many times, often surrounded by much conjecture.
Could somebody tell me the facts please.
What do the UCI, WADA etc say?
I know I know, I'm opening up a big can of worms, people are going to argue about what is and what isn't fact.
This interview gives a pretty good summary (long but interesting):
http://nyvelocity.com/content/interview ... l-ashenden0 -
ratsbeyfus wrote:Dave_1 wrote:while we're talking in the past tense (as usual), how about Marice Garin's 1903 B sample retests?
Did you race with him?
what race food! Garin used booze. Legal today?
His first true professional win was in a 24-hour race in Paris in 1893[n 2] It was held on the Champ de Mars, site of the Eiffel Tower. The riders competed, as was the custom, behind a succession of pacers. The event took place in February and the cold drove out riders one after the other. Garin rode 701 km in 24 hours, beating the only other rider to finish by 49 km. Garin said he had survived on [9]
lots of strong red wine
19 litres of hot chocolate
seven litres of tea
eight cooked eggs
a mix of coffee and champagne
45 cutlets
five litres of tapioca
two kilos of rice
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Dave_1 wrote:ratsbeyfus wrote:Dave_1 wrote:while we're talking in the past tense (as usual), how about Marice Garin's 1903 B sample retests?
Did you race with him?
what race food! Garin used booze. Legal today?
His first true professional win was in a 24-hour race in Paris in 1893[n 2] It was held on the Champ de Mars, site of the Eiffel Tower. The riders competed, as was the custom, behind a succession of pacers. The event took place in February and the cold drove out riders one after the other. Garin rode 701 km in 24 hours, beating the only other rider to finish by 49 km. Garin said he had survived on [9]
lots of strong red wine
19 litres of hot chocolate
seven litres of tea
eight cooked eggs
a mix of coffee and champagne
45 cutlets
five litres of tapioca
two kilos of rice
and oysters.
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Those early races were nuts. More like Dick Dasterdly's wacky races then anything that goes on today. Some of the racers used to take bags of round headed tacks (so that the point would face up) with them to nobble the following cyclists.
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Monty Dog wrote:There is a view that under the principle of 'absolute liability', there is no need for a B Test where you are talking about the presence of any synthetic substance as there is no naturally incurring reason for it to be there e.g. Contador's plasticizer or LA's EPO.
weren't LAs samples "too clean" i.e the masking agent had removed ALL EPO from the samples even though everyone has it as it is a natural body product. Could be wrong there0 -
Official: Armstrong investigators in France
http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap ... ong-dopinginterview.cyclingfever.com0 -
That bit is not true.RichN95 wrote:The 'retests' weren't retests at all. It was just research. The testing lab were using the 1999 B samples to practice and refine their detection techniques, not to try to catch dopers. So no protocols were dogmatically adhered to.
The results wouldn't be admissible in any reasonable court as far as I can see (as a non-lawyer).
More info here:
http://velonews.competitor.com/2005/08/tour-de-france/lequipe-alleges-armstrong-samples-show-epo-use-in-99-tour_87400
