Steel bike lighter than Carbon bike shock!
racingt
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Hi guys, just weighed three bikes on kitchen scales results as follows:-
Colnago CLX (Carbon), Ultegra, Aksiums - 8.8kgs
Look 281 (Carbon), DA, Ksyriums - 8.1kg
Enigma Extensor (steel), Chorus, Neutrons - 7.5kgs
All bikes same size with same pedal system.
What's all the fuss about carbon bikes for?!?!?
Colnago CLX (Carbon), Ultegra, Aksiums - 8.8kgs
Look 281 (Carbon), DA, Ksyriums - 8.1kg
Enigma Extensor (steel), Chorus, Neutrons - 7.5kgs
All bikes same size with same pedal system.
What's all the fuss about carbon bikes for?!?!?
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Wow that's amazing! Who'd have thought a steel bike could be lighter than a Carbon Fibre one?
I'm selling all mine now.
This steel bike weights 6.04kg
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racingt wrote:Hi guys, just weighed three bikes on kitchen scales results as follows:-
Colnago CLX (Carbon), Ultegra, Aksiums - 8.8kgs
Look 281 (Carbon), DA, Ksyriums - 8.1kg
Enigma Extensor (steel), Chorus, Neutrons - 7.5kgs
All bikes same size with same pedal system.
What's all the fuss about carbon bikes for?!?!?
I suspect Chorus is lighter than Ultegra and that the Aksiums are definately heavier than the Neutrons.
Even so, just shows that steel is still a very viable frame materialExpertly coached by http://www.vitessecyclecoaching.co.uk/
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My carbon bike only weighs 7.1kgs and it cost me about £1200. So there!0
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Doesn't surprise me at all about the steel Enigma Extensor, fantastic bike imo ...... pics please!0
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The marketing people want you to buy carbon, and therefore 10years worth of marketing has lead to people dismissing other frame materials.0
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giant mancp wrote:Doesn't surprise me at all about the steel Enigma Extensor, fantastic bike imo ...... pics please!
I drove down to Eastbourne last month and took one for a spin. It was very, very nice. I rode the red one pictured on their site, I felt completely unworthy TBH.
I tried the Ti Echo as well, and liked that as well. They do make great bikes
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The Mad Rapper wrote:
Like what? A steel frame is just as rigid as carbon, so other than aero there's no difference.
Bit of a generalisation there!0 -
Hi guys, my post was a little tongue in cheek, but really i was saying don't get taken in by the marketing hype - steel is alive and well, and NapoleonD it can actually look very prettty too. I'm keeping both! (one belongs to my son!)0
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racingt wrote:Hi guys, my post was a little tongue in cheek, but really i was saying don't get taken in by the marketing hype - steel is alive and well, and NapoleonD it can actually look very prettty too. I'm keeping both! (one belongs to my son!)
Whoah! I have nowt against steel at all and am always on the lookout for some 'nice' italian columbus or gilco beauty...
my initial reply was meant in a similar vein...0 -
Note that large diameter tubes are typically heavier than smaller diameter ones, but larger diameter tubes are stiffer. Meaning, I bet that Napoleon D frame has a whippy back end and lacks stiffness.
Steel manufacturers can make very thin tubes but they don't like selling them in case of failure.0 -
The Mad Rapper wrote:
Like what? A steel frame is just as rigid as carbon, so other than aero there's no difference.
are you serious..?0 -
Berk Bonebonce wrote:
Steel manufacturers can make very thin tubes but they don't like selling them in case of failure.
you are confusing tube diameter with wall thickness - a small diameter tube can be just as resilient as a larger diameter provding it's drawn correctly...and vice versa...0 -
I've just changed my Planet X SL Pro Carbon for a Guerciotti G55 in Columbus Ultrafoco steel (from Planet X who appear to have acquired all of Guerciotti's old stock), it is only marginally heavier (1400 grams as opposed to just under 1200 for the carbon), and looks beautiful. Can't comment on the ride yet, as it's still in the garage pending cabling up, but scaffolding poles it certainly isn't.0
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I'm not surprised an expensive, modern steel frame can be built up with good components to make a lightweight bike.
What I am surprised about is how heavy the OP's carbon bikes are. How the hell does a Colnago with seemingly good components end up weighing nearly 9kg? My carbon bike weighs 7.2kg and it isn't a particularly light frame...0 -
MatHammond wrote:I'm not surprised an expensive, modern steel frame can be built up with good components to make a lightweight bike.
What I am surprised about is how heavy the OP's carbon bikes are. How the hell does a Colnago with seemingly good components end up weighing nearly 9kg? My carbon bike weighs 7.2kg and it isn't a particularly light frame...
The lump of weight on the OPs CX-1 will be the AksiumsExpertly coached by http://www.vitessecyclecoaching.co.uk/
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softlad wrote:The Mad Rapper wrote:
Like what? A steel frame is just as rigid as carbon, so other than aero there's no difference.
are you serious..?
Clearly, otherwise I wouldn't have posted. Have you ridden a modern, lightweight quality steel frame recently?0 -
Rediculous generalisations as usual.
If this were What Car we'd have people asking whether a Ford is faster than a Fiat.
As a sweeping statement (since we're at it) it's easier to find a good relationship of £/lbs/stiffness with carbon than steel but you can still get a nice steel bike if that's your bag.0 -
love my Enigma - you can say all you like about the steel vs carbon rubbish and choose whatever bike you want at the end of the day, but >2500 miles this year on mine and I it still puts a big grin on my face!
I love my Look carbon as well but my next bike will be a custom made Enigma Extensor, and I've already chosen the paint scheme
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I think if you paid £1500 for a carbon frame you'd be a bit disappointed if it weighed 1430g (like the Enigma) particularly since a complete PlanetX with SRAM red would be cheaper and lighter.0
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Bigpikle wrote:love my Enigma - you can say all you like about the steel vs carbon rubbish and choose whatever bike you want at the end of the day, but >2500 miles this year on mine and I it still puts a big grin on my face!
I love my Look carbon as well but my next bike will be a custom made Enigma Extensor, and I've already chosen the paint scheme
What are you going for? I was going to have white originally, but have decided to go for Ferrari red with cream panels and mirror polished logos. Stunning
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The Mad Rapper wrote:softlad wrote:The Mad Rapper wrote:
Like what? A steel frame is just as rigid as carbon, so other than aero there's no difference.
are you serious..?
Clearly, otherwise I wouldn't have posted. Have you ridden a modern, lightweight quality steel frame recently?
nope - not recently. The last steel frame I rode (apart from my MTB) was my handbuilt 653 a few years ago, which is now retired and hanging up on the wall. However, as you have obviously ridden both you clearly have the advantage on me.....so I'm looking forward to reading your comparison between a modern, lightweight quality steel frame and an equivalent carbon frame...0 -
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you and me both pal, you and me both .....Bigpikle wrote:love my Enigma - you can say all you like about the steel vs carbon rubbish and choose whatever bike you want at the end of the day, but >2500 miles this year on mine and I it still puts a big grin on my face!
I love my Look carbon as well but my next bike will be a custom made Enigma Extensor, and I've already chosen the paint scheme0 -
In a similar vein, I've discovered that full suspension mountain bikes are actually lighter than road bikes.
Well, my £4000 Santa Cruz is lighter than my wife's £500 Ribble winter bike anyway.0 -
The Mad Rapper wrote:Like what? A steel frame is just as rigid as carbon, so other than aero there's no difference.
Which Mickey Mouse institution did you get your materials engineering degree from then|?0 -
1400g seems about the reasonable limit for a mid-size steel frame
My Columbus Spirit Scapin is about that (in 55cm) and is a bit stiffer and a bit lighter than my ti Airborne Carpe Diem, but that has all manner of bosses stuck on.
There's no way I'd buy a sub-1200g steel frame. But then I wouldn't buy a sub 1200g carbon frame either. It's easier just to put a cupful less High-5 in the bidon ___________________
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