Q: How to compare: double vs triple crankset

accelerator
accelerator Posts: 5
edited October 2010 in MTB buying advice
I hope I'm using the correct terms but essentially I wanted to try and compare how much top end power transfer I would lose using the smaller double chainring Felt Trail Shot 2010 vs my current bike a triple chainring Mongoose Tyax Elite 2008. I appreciate the former is lighter by about 20% and has superior components which could result in more efficient power transmission but I just want to assume all other components equal for a second to get a worst case scenario.

So, is there a way I can calculate and say the top gear on the Felt could have up to as much resistance (or cadence transfer to the wheels, you know what I mean) as a certain gear on the larger chainring of the Mongoose using the below info?

Felt Trail Shot:
CRANKSET: Truvativ STYLO 2.2 AM Dual Ring with Bashguard, 2-Piece Crank Giga-X-Pipe External Bearing Design, 36/24T Cold-Forged AL-66, S=170mm; M-L=175mm
FREEWHEEL/CASSETTE: SRAM PG-950, 9-Speed Cassette, 11-32T

Mongoose Tyax Elite:
CRANKSET: Shimano FC-M311 42/32/22T
Freewheel: Shmano HG30 11-32t 8sp cassette

Worst comes to worst, I'll buy and test and return if no likey but I was interested in the information anyway, especially if I come up against similar crankset bikes with different ring sizes.

Comments

  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    It's simple ratios of the chainrings. A 44t is 10% higher geared than a 40t.
  • EDIT: Totally revised post, hope someone doesn't reply before this edit goes through.

    So, can I use the following formula:

    1 crank turn @ 42 teeth turns an 11t cog 3.8 revolutions
    Therefore:
    crank ring teeth / rear cog teeth = ratio of wheel revolutions to crank revolution

    So, the Felt at 2nd crank (36t) / 9th cog (11t) = 3.27
    The Mongoose at 3rd crank (42t) / 8th cog (11t) = 3.8
    The Mongoose at 3rd crank (42t) / 7th cog (1 from top @ 13t) = 3.23

    I hope my Mongoose info is correct, got it from a site just selling the cassette
  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    Yes, as above, is just ratios.
  • Frodo1095
    Frodo1095 Posts: 252
    Use this website to work out gear ratios and gear inches, may give you a better idea.
    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gears/
    I used it to compare my current 3 x 9 shimano XT set up vs a SRAM 2 x 10 set up I subsequently decided to go with on my new bike.
    Gear ratios
    XT 44/32/22 on 11/34 170mm crank vs SRAM 39/26 on 11/36 170mm crank
    7.8
    6.6 6.9
    5.7 6.3
    5.6 5.4
    5.0 4.7
    4.8 4.6
    4.3 4.2
    4.1 4.2
    3.9
    3.7 3.7
    3.6 3.6
    3.3
    3.3 3.2
    3.1 3.2
    2.8
    2.8 2.8
    2.7 2.7
    2.5
    2.5 2.4
    2.4 2.4
    2.1 2.1
    2.1 2.1
    1.9
    1.8 1.8
    1.6 1.6
    1.4 1.4
    1.3

    Gear inches
    XT 44/33/22 on 11/13/15/17/20/23/26/30/34 with 170mm crank vs SRAM 39/26 on 11/12/14/16/18/21/24/28/32/36 with 170mm crank
    103.8
    87.8 92
    76.1 84.3
    75.5 72.3
    67.1 63.2
    63.9 61.3
    57.1 56.2
    55.3 56.2
    51.9
    49.6 48.2
    48.8 48.2
    43.9
    43.9 42.2
    41.5 42.2
    38
    38 37.5
    36.1 36.1
    33.6
    33.6 32.1
    31.9 31.6
    28.5 28.1
    27.7 28.1
    24.8
    24.4 24.1
    21.9 21.1
    19 18.7
    16.8

    As you can see I loose my very top and very bottom gears but still maintain a good spread of gears, and how often do you end up in your very top gear and if you are in your granny gear you are just about crawling anyhow so will still be slow going.

    Finally settled on:
    Gear inches
    SRAM 26/39 on 12/13/15/17/19/21/24/28/32/36 with 170mm crank
    84.3
    77.8
    67.4
    59.5
    56.2
    53.2

    51.9
    48.2
    45.0
    42.2
    39.7
    36.1
    35.5
    32.1
    31.6
    28.1
    28.1
    24.1
    21.1
    18.7

    Hope this helps