Conti GP4000s v Schwalbe Ultremo R1s ??

Jungli

What are the opinions between these tyres please.

I have a pair of the R1's and wondered how they'd compare as I've never had the 4000s Conti's

Thanks!

relanium

Personally I hope your not thinking about using the R1's during winter

Gazzaputt

Contis I hate my R.1s.

Bar Shaker

My next tyres will be 4000s

1_reaper

Gazzaputt why are you not feeling the love for your R.1s ? Had a set on all summer and can't fault them. Each to there own i guess :?

Chip \'oyler

R.1s.

Conti's are crap in the wet

Jungli

Not winter use, to go on some light wheels for summer and sportives etc.

relanium

Conti Force & Attack for summer.

spanielsson

relanium wrote:

Conti Force & Attack for summer.

They also ride pretty well in the winter too!

bendertherobot

I've been commuting on black R.1's for a month now. (I always run R.1 anway). These were put on new.

40 miles per day. Shit roads, all weathers. And they are box perfect still.

So, for my winter bike, I'm running Ultremo DD's.

No way I'd go back to non Schwalbe now. No way at all.

Jungli

I have used the DD's and terminally ripped one of them after only about 600km. I have also used the R1s but found they puncture easily in the wet and wear quite quickly too.

Currently using Conti 4 seasons as a general training tyre which is a bit tougher than both.

bendertherobot

Jungli wrote:

I have used the DD's and terminally ripped one of them after only about 600km. I have also used the R1s but found they puncture easily in the wet and wear quite quickly too.

Currently using Conti 4 seasons as a general training tyre which is a bit tougher than both.

How can something puncture in the wet?

solsurf

the 4000s are great IMO no complaints. Done over 2000 on present set, they grip well in all conditions roll well and seem pretty tuff, one puncture over 2000. Would like to try force attacks as people tend to rate them, not sure of the difference though.

37monkey

a link to a site with info on rolling resistance
http://biketechreview.com/tires/rolling ... oller-data

dcl10

I'd go with the R.1's. I know a lot of people like the GP's, but to me they are heavy for a high end tire and don't roll particularly well (all mine were almost 20 grams over claimed weight per tire) . The Ultremo's are lighter, faster, more supple and corner better. I've found the Ultremo's better at stopping things like glass, thorns, flint, and most small sharp objects, but the sidewalls are fragile and the 4000's are better at protecting against a greater variety of road hazards and are less likely to blowout. The Ultremo's also wear pretty fast, I get about 700 miles on the rear vs almost 1.5k on 4000's, and if you lock up a wheel they will shred themselves. Now if your are talking attack/force they are just as fast, if not faster and are closer in weight to a true race tire. I would run them more, but its hard to find a place that stocks the rear only for a reasonable amount of money, and I already have 2 un-used fronts since the rear wears out so much faster.

markyone

there is a new r1 coming out next year and they say its 35g heavier,and more durable.

nferrar

I used Ultremo's over winter and they're great, about as grippy as you could ask for in the wet and only a couple of punctures (flints). I have some DD's ready to put on this winter (for me the important factors are grip, puncture resistance, durability and reasonable weight and Ultremos tick those boxes for me).

As always though it's very much down to personal experience, I had a GP4000 sidewall split after 50 miles, it's easy to dismiss it as a crap tyre and never use one again but in reality it was likely just a bit of debris on the road that would have done the same to most/all tyres. It gripped well but I still think the Ultremo had the edge.

Chip \'oyler

The Schwalbe Durano's would be a good winter choice

Gazzaputt

dcl10 wrote:

I'd go with the R.1's. I know a lot of people like the GP's, but to me they are heavy for a high end tire and don't roll particularly well (all mine were almost 20 grams over claimed weight per tire) . The Ultremo's are lighter, faster, more supple and corner better. I've found the Ultremo's better at stopping things like glass, thorns, flint, and most small sharp objects, but the sidewalls are fragile and the 4000's are better at protecting against a greater variety of road hazards and are less likely to blowout. The Ultremo's also wear pretty fast, I get about 700 miles on the rear vs almost 1.5k on 4000's, and if you lock up a wheel they will shred themselves. Now if your are talking attack/force they are just as fast, if not faster and are closer in weight to a true race tire. I would run them more, but its hard to find a place that stocks the rear only for a reasonable amount of money, and I already have 2 un-used fronts since the rear wears out so much faster.

Amen. Twice I've flints go through the sidewall easy. Also had one tyre the somehow wore it self to the carcass after about 100miles.

Cannot fault weight, rolling and grip but boy they are fragile.

izza

I have R.1's on DT Swiss 1850's.

Good levels of grip, wear, comfort, weight, etc. as mentioned above.

Also have added advantage that don't need tyre levers to get tyre off when I do have puncture. Saves on cold fingers and pinch punctures from levers.

Brommers76

dcl10 wrote:

I'd go with the R.1's. I know a lot of people like the GP's, but to me they are heavy for a high end tire and don't roll particularly well (all mine were almost 20 grams over claimed weight per tire) . The Ultremo's are lighter, faster, more supple and corner better. I've found the Ultremo's better at stopping things like glass, thorns, flint, and most small sharp objects, but the sidewalls are fragile and the 4000's are better at protecting against a greater variety of road hazards and are less likely to blowout. The Ultremo's also wear pretty fast, I get about 700 miles on the rear vs almost 1.5k on 4000's, and if you lock up a wheel they will shred themselves. Now if your are talking attack/force they are just as fast, if not faster and are closer in weight to a true race tire. I would run them more, but its hard to find a place that stocks the rear only for a reasonable amount of money, and I already have 2 un-used fronts since the rear wears out so much faster.

So if you ride 200miles per week the Ultremo's would last less than a month and the 4000's 7 weeks or so? That cannot be right surely.

bendertherobot

My R.1's are, at a guess, about 800 miles old now. And unmarked and unworn.

dcl10

So if you ride 200miles per week the Ultremo's would last less than a month and the 4000's 7 weeks or so? That cannot be right surely.[/quote]

No, I said it was 700 vs 1.5k (as in 1,500), so they last about twice as long. I get about 2-3 weeks on the rear with the Ultremo's and 5-6 with 4000's.

Chip \'oyler

dcl10 wrote:

So if you ride 200miles per week the Ultremo's would last less than a month and the 4000's 7 weeks or so? That cannot be right surely.

No, I said it was 700 vs 1.5k (as in 1,500), so they last about twice as long. I get about 2-3 weeks on the rear with the Ultremo's and 5-6 with 4000's.[/quote]

You either do a lot of mileage of weigh a bloody lot to get through an Ultremo in 3 weeks :shock:

bendertherobot

You're doing something wrong. My rear Ultremo is virtually perfect. My front still has evidence of the centre moulding.

Chip \'oyler

bendertherobot wrote:

You're doing something wrong. My rear Ultremo is virtually perfect. My front still has evidence of the centre moulding.

He's probably using them on a turbo trainer :roll:

auldnick

Just done LEJOG, 950 miles on the R.1's without a puncture and they still look good for the rest of the winter!

izza

I enjoy my R.1's and the only noticeable deterioration I have had is a flat spot from a lock up at a junction.

Changed tyre as it went through to the metallic fibres but in terms of "normal" wear and tear I have had no problems