Saint v XTR
Chunkers1980
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Anyone got any personal views of the XTR rear shifter VS the Current Saint REAR shifter.
The only technical difference is multi release that I can see.
I have a M970 rear and know it's amazing but how does the Saint stack up against it for the ~20quid differencem, multi release a side?
Cheers.
The only technical difference is multi release that I can see.
I have a M970 rear and know it's amazing but how does the Saint stack up against it for the ~20quid differencem, multi release a side?
Cheers.
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Need a single rear shifter - they are the only 2 you can get singly as far as I can see... Wondering if the £ diff is worth it £40 Saint £60 XTR you see...Not interestinged in grams as it's replacing a M590 which is pants...0
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You're not getting me.
Only care about the performance.
That's a 10spd.... Not going 10spd as have HT and FS and want to keep as many parts inter changable as poss - so I have a XTR on the HT and miss it so much on the FS as it's just too much to change when I want to take the FS for a spin as I generally prefer HTs and the XTR is in a different class to the M590 the FS has on.0 -
sorry.. 9sp slx.
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=28034
I had the saint rear shifter and it is really nice... very mechanical and tough feeling though.
SLX is very similar to XT for a fraction of the price.0 -
Thanks for the offer...
Only need a rear and I suppose you will not want to split and am thinking I want the multi release..0 -
multi release is very nice... its one of the reasons why I don't like the SRAM on my P7.
SLX is multi release too.0 -
What 9spd? SLX has 2 down shifts in 2 clicks of the stroke (i.e. multi release?)0
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The SLX Rapidfire Plus shifters feature 2-Way Release technology that enables the release lever to be operated in two directions.0
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Merlin does not make sense...
10spd slx says Multi release, 9spd says 'duel' release..? weird what's the difference if any?0 -
2 way is different to multi release of the m970...0
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Yes but it's a BIG difference. in terms of shifts/finger movements 11t cog to 32/34 back to 11t, non multi release, is min 11 clicks, M970 is only 6, poss 7...0
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Have a look at the shimano site... its all explained on there...
SLX, XT and XTR all have rapidfire +....
the dual release/multirelease relates to being able to push the shifter in either direction to change gear.0 -
Chunkers1980 wrote:Yes but it's a BIG difference. in terms of shifts/finger movements 11t cog to 32/34 back to 11t, non multi release, is min 11 clicks, M970 is only 6, poss 7...
Why not try to find and old dx thumbshifter, up and down the cassete in one sweep.. (friction you see)
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XTR is the best shifter you can get IMHO. Worth whatever it costs. I wouldn't consider anything else.0
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the Saint will be more robust as its aimed more at the downhillers side, i'd expect it to take alot more knocks than the xtr, But i'd expect the Xtr to shift better/smoother/feel nicer if you like?? and will more than likely use less leverage to shift,
Slx is like Xt but at a fraction of the price,
True, but same can be said of Xt and Xtr, Deore and Slx, alivio and deore!
i'd take Xt over Slx every day of the week, Slx just Doesnt feel half as nice to use, and having tried both same age models kit, i'd spend the extra on XT!
that said, i have Xtr front and rear mechs on the HT with the latest xt shifters and they are Spot on! and only cost a tenner or so more for a pair than XTR does for one loL!Timmo.
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The Northern Monkey wrote:Have a look at the shimano site... its all explained on there...
SLX, XT and XTR all have rapidfire +....
the dual release/multirelease relates to being able to push the shifter in either direction to change gear.
It may be all there but you've misquoted it some how.
Multi release does not relate to either direction - it relates to being able to change down 2 gears in 1 lever sweep - i.e. 2 clickable positions.0 -
Chunkers1980 wrote:The Northern Monkey wrote:Have a look at the shimano site... its all explained on there...
SLX, XT and XTR all have rapidfire +....
the dual release/multirelease relates to being able to push the shifter in either direction to change gear.
It may be all there but you've misquoted it some how.
Multi release does not relate to either direction - it relates to being able to change down 2 gears in 1 lever sweep - i.e. 2 clickable positions.
Does it? Even my crappy 7 speed shifters on my old bike do that. :? SLX definitely will.
I thought (perhaps wrongly) that multi release referred to being able to push (SRAM style) or pull on the smaller trigger to change up a gear on the rear shifter.0 -
+1 Couldn't have put it better myself.bails87 wrote:Chunkers1980 wrote:The Northern Monkey wrote:Have a look at the shimano site... its all explained on there...
SLX, XT and XTR all have rapidfire +....
the dual release/multirelease relates to being able to push the shifter in either direction to change gear.
It may be all there but you've misquoted it some how.
Multi release does not relate to either direction - it relates to being able to change down 2 gears in 1 lever sweep - i.e. 2 clickable positions.
Does it? Even my crappy 7 speed shifters on my old bike do that. :? SLX definitely will.
I thought (perhaps wrongly) that multi release referred to being able to push (SRAM style) or pull on the smaller trigger to change up a gear on the rear shifter.0 -
Chunkers1980 wrote:The Northern Monkey wrote:Have a look at the shimano site... its all explained on there...
SLX, XT and XTR all have rapidfire +....
the dual release/multirelease relates to being able to push the shifter in either direction to change gear.
It may be all there but you've misquoted it some how.
Multi release does not relate to either direction - it relates to being able to change down 2 gears in 1 lever sweep - i.e. 2 clickable positions.
I've got SLX shifters and I can change down 3 or 4 gears with one lever sweep - as far as I'm aware its not called multi release, its called 'rapid fire' - my old deore shifters had this too.0 -
oh jeez this is just plain silly now
from what im aware of, multi release is unique to xtr and allows you to change down the cassette,i.e. to a harder gear twice, with one sweep of the lever, and like most other shifters can give upto 5 shifts up the cassette. with xt or any other shimano shifer you can only shift down gear with one click of the downshift lever, whereas the xtr downshift functions in the same way as the upshift, part way goes down one gear, push or pull more and the second downshift is selected, like i say this is unique to xtr, although coming to think of it, the old dual controls had the same features .......
either way, xtr is the most expensive and best performing group shimano make, if you want the best performance go xtr, if you're not to bothered by perfoamnce bu want a bulletproof shifter buy saint0 -
lawman wrote:oh jeez this is just plain silly now
from what im aware of, multi release is unique to xtr and allows you to change down the cassette,i.e. to a harder gear twice, with one sweep of the lever, and like most other shifters can give upto 5 shifts up the cassette.
But changing 'down' means going to an easier gear (bigger cog on the cassette) doesn't it? So changing down multiple gears with one push would mean one 'sweep' with your thumb on the bigger lever, to increase cable tension and change to an easier gear.0 -
bails87 wrote:lawman wrote:oh jeez this is just plain silly now
from what im aware of, multi release is unique to xtr and allows you to change down the cassette,i.e. to a harder gear twice, with one sweep of the lever, and like most other shifters can give upto 5 shifts up the cassette.
But changing 'down' means going to an easier gear (bigger cog on the cassette) doesn't it? So changing down multiple gears with one push would mean one 'sweep' with your thumb on the bigger lever, to increase cable tension and change to an easier gear.
surely common sence dictates that going from top to bottom ie big to small, constitutes a downward movement of the chain? thats how ive always looked at it anyway, but you get what i mean anyway right???0 -
No, think of it like a car - change down to an easier, lower gear.0
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meh whatever you opposite people want to think 0
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XTR is the only shifter you can move 2 smaller cogs at the back with one movement.
i currently have XTR, XT , SLX all 9sp on different bikes. they all enable multiple movement into bigger cogs.0 -
Unless of course you are rapid rise mech0
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camerone wrote:XTR is the only shifter you can move 2 smaller cogs at the back with one movement.
i currently have XTR, XT , SLX all 9sp on different bikes. they all enable multiple movement into bigger cogs.
I have XT DCL levers and i can change 2 smaller cogs at a time with them.0 -
lawman wrote:meh whatever you opposite people want to think
Don't you work in a bike shop?! You should really know better!
Look at the cassette from the back, when you go to a smaller cog the chain moves outwards, down, up and forwards, in different points.
So did the OP actually mean changing UP 2 gears with a single click? Because that's completely different 0
