Valverde interview

frenchfighter
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edited October 2010 in Pro race
http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2010/07/ ... more-13111
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    It was a good call from CTips and a neat way with people's questions rather than wone interviewer. Interesting to read that he is effectively continuing his life exactly as before just without the races. I wonder whether that will continue throughout all of 2011. Either way, I am pretty sure that he will come back and mop up the wins just as before.
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  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    frenchfighter wrote:
    It was a good call from CTips and a neat way with people's questions rather than wone interviewer. Interesting to read that he is effectively continuing his life exactly as before just without the races. I wonder whether that will continue throughout all of 2011. Either way, I am pretty sure that he will come back and mop up the wins just as before.

    Just as before? You mean by continuing to use PEDs?
  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    He certainly doesn't say anything that makes me think he'll come back cleaner
  • bigmat
    bigmat Posts: 5,134
    Liar and a cheat. Lets hope he comes back a changed rider, I'd rather see him in the gruppetto clean than winning races the way he has been.
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  • NJK
    NJK Posts: 194
    MatHammond wrote:
    Liar and a cheat. Lets hope he comes back a changed rider, I'd rather see him in the gruppetto clean than winning races the way he has been.

    Personally i think he has been riding cleaner for the past couple of years. There is big difference to how he was riding when he beat Armstrong at Courchevel in the tour to now and don't think much will change he is obviously a classy rider who will be there or thereabouts in the big races when he comes back.
  • shakey88
    shakey88 Posts: 289
    :roll: If he's "obviously" so classy then why cheat?
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    NJK wrote:
    MatHammond wrote:
    Liar and a cheat. Lets hope he comes back a changed rider, I'd rather see him in the gruppetto clean than winning races the way he has been.

    Personally i think he has been riding cleaner for the past couple of years. There is big difference to how he was riding when he beat Armstrong at Courchevel in the tour to now and don't think much will change he is obviously a classy rider who will be there or thereabouts in the big races when he comes back.

    Didn't you watch the Vuelta last year, then? There was a time around 2007 or so when his form nosedived, but last year he was stronger than ever.
  • NJK
    NJK Posts: 194
    afx237vi wrote:
    NJK wrote:
    MatHammond wrote:
    Liar and a cheat. Lets hope he comes back a changed rider, I'd rather see him in the gruppetto clean than winning races the way he has been.

    Personally i think he has been riding cleaner for the past couple of years. There is big difference to how he was riding when he beat Armstrong at Courchevel in the tour to now and don't think much will change he is obviously a classy rider who will be there or thereabouts in the big races when he comes back.

    Didn't you watch the Vuelta last year, then? There was a time around 2007 or so when his form nosedived, but last year he was stronger than ever.


    Yeah i watched it. Don't think he was stronger than ever. Tactically better than previous years.
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    Late 2009. First time he's lasted the full 3 weeks, beating Evans to boot. He's TTing better now than in 2005-6, so not great evidence of cleanliness
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    CT are doing a similar interview with Aldo Sassi if any of you wish to ask questions.

    http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2010/08/ ... more-13696
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  • Dgh
    Dgh Posts: 180
    "CT. What are your thoughts on riders releasing all their values? (blood results, VO2 max, power outputs etc). Surely if a rider has nothing to hide he would freely present his figures and have nothing to worry about. This would strengthen/repair the bond between pro riders and their fans who surely deserve transparency. -Andy, BikePure

    AV. I believe everybody is free to do what he wants to with his values even to publish them in the medias if likes to. Anyway I believe it should be sufficient the UCI to know those values. I believe it would be better for cycling and young riders to read about cycling and sporting achievements rather than to read about blood values. Anyway I have nothing to hide and if that is what interests people, why not."

    In other words, he doesn't give a f*ck about the credibility of cycling, or his own, in the eyes of the public. He doesn't think we should be interested in whether or not riders are doping.
  • Dgh
    Dgh Posts: 180
    "AV. My DNA was taken for a reason and used for another one in rather strange circumstances. When I proposed to give my DNA so that it is analysed in a neutral laboratory in Switzerland, the CONI refused that. What else can I say? I believe it is very clear.

    editor: further clarification with Alejandro on this point:

    “When the ‘trial’ took place in the CAS, Alejandro requested to have the possibility to give his DNA so that it was analyzed in a neutral laboratory in Switzerland under control of the UCI and tha AMA. The Italian CONI denied this right to Alejandro. The CONI used the DNA it took in the Tour de France 2008 within the framework of a normal antidoping control to the team in the hotel when the race came through Italy. They analyzed it by themselves in Italy. To us of course it seems very strange that they did not accept a neutral analyze of Alejandro’s DNA to be done in a neutral laboratory. ”

    Although I'm a lawyer, I'm less interested in technical arguments about the purpose for which his DNA was taken, and more interested in hearing some argument that the lab's results are unreailiable. But perhaps that's a bit much to expect from someone who thinks the public shouldn't be interested in doping issues.
  • Dgh
    Dgh Posts: 180
    "CT. Does it frustrate you that without real knowledge or Pro Cycling and evidence that would stand up in a criminal court, people point their righteous finger at you as the “bad guy” but don’t stop to mention that you are a victim of violations to your rights and privacy as a person? -PeterT


    AV. Of course. What would you think if you were condemned for something when you know you are innocent and that there are absolutely no proofs against you?"

    This question is a plant, right?

    This interview reveals Valverde to symbolise all that's wrong with cycling, and (unfortnately) Spanish cycling in particular; the assertion top violations of supposed "rights" in response to getting caught, the arrogant assumption that the public shouldn't be interested in doping, that we should just swallow the product offered to us. Talented rider, no doubt. But cycling's better off without him and his ilk.
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Exactly Dgh, he's had a DNA match levelled against him but rather than discuss the facts, he just whines about being caught. Sometimes a two year ban isn't enough time for people to realise the mess they've made.
  • cal_stewart
    cal_stewart Posts: 1,840
    ricco and val no worst than basso, vino and millar
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  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Why? Some recognise their mistakes and try to move on, others just sit in denial.

    There's a scale where you can place Valverde at one end ("what, me doping, no, this is a grand injustice") and Millar at the other (spending his time helping WADA). All have cheated, some acknowledge it, whilst others refuse to deal with it.
  • Dgh
    Dgh Posts: 180
    Cal_Stewart wrote:
    ricco and val no worst than basso, vino and millar

    No. Millar 'fessed up, and has become a respected anti-doping campaigner. Valverde is down there with Ricco and Vino.
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    Kléber wrote:
    Why? Some recognise their mistakes and try to move on, others just sit in denial.

    There's a scale where you can place Valverde at one end ("what, me doping, no, this is a grand injustice") and Millar at the other (spending his time helping WADA). All have cheated, some acknowledge it, whilst others refuse to deal with it.

    Thats really all rather irrelavant though as they all cheated in one form or another and they all copped a 2 year ban the fact that one chooses to get all pious about it does not alter that fact that they are all cheats together.
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  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    Moray Gub wrote:
    Kléber wrote:
    Why? Some recognise their mistakes and try to move on, others just sit in denial.

    There's a scale where you can place Valverde at one end ("what, me doping, no, this is a grand injustice") and Millar at the other (spending his time helping WADA). All have cheated, some acknowledge it, whilst others refuse to deal with it.

    Thats really all rather irrelavant though as they all cheated in one form or another and they all copped a 2 year ban the fact that one chooses to get all pious about it does not alter that fact that they are all cheats together.

    I suppose it rather depends on whether you think Millar (or to a lesser extent Basso's) post-bust actions make doping by others less likely in the future, as opposed to Ricco, Vino et al's 'yeah, you got me, 2yrs, lets get on with it' or Valv's 'you don't have the right to catch me'.

    If Millar can make a difference, and has chosen to, then (as pious as he is), cheats surely do differ in how we should view them?
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  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    calvjones wrote:
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    If Millar can make a difference, and has chosen to, then (as pious as he is), cheats surely do differ in how we should view them?

    Its not as simple as that though is it, Vino was never the most popular before his doping ban neither was Ricco whereas Millar and Basso where. The willingness to brush their misdemeanours under the carpet is more abour personalities than anything else.
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  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    Moray Gub wrote:
    calvjones wrote:
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    If Millar can make a difference, and has chosen to, then (as pious as he is), cheats surely do differ in how we should view them?

    Its not as simple as that though is it, Vino was never the most popular before his doping ban neither was Ricco whereas Millar and Basso where. The willingness to brush their misdemeanours under the carpet is more abour personalities than anything else.

    I think I'd disagree - I think Vino was extremely popular pre-ban (certainly was with me).

    Basso hasn't got a personality to like/dislike, and Millar's always been an @rse.I genuinely think its post-ban behaviour which is the important element in how they're viewed, not whether they were popular before.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Vino still is quality.

    Always up for a good race.
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  • victorponf
    victorponf Posts: 1,187
    NJK wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    NJK wrote:
    MatHammond wrote:
    Liar and a cheat. Lets hope he comes back a changed rider, I'd rather see him in the gruppetto clean than winning races the way he has been.

    Personally i think he has been riding cleaner for the past couple of years. There is big difference to how he was riding when he beat Armstrong at Courchevel in the tour to now and don't think much will change he is obviously a classy rider who will be there or thereabouts in the big races when he comes back.

    Didn't you watch the Vuelta last year, then? There was a time around 2007 or so when his form nosedived, but last year he was stronger than ever.


    Yeah i watched it. Don't think he was stronger than ever. Tactically better than previous years.

    I think the same, last year he was very deffensive
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  • Gingerflash
    Gingerflash Posts: 239
    "I believe we have to trust the authorities "

    "I believe the anti-doping authorities know exactly what they have to do"

    "there are anti-doping authorities in charge of that problem and we have to trust them and leave them do their job"

    This from Valverde. LOL.
  • vegetablevn
    vegetablevn Posts: 1
    Gingerflash wrote:
    "I believe we have to trust the authorities "

    "I believe the anti-doping authorities know exactly what they have to do"

    "there are anti-doping authorities in charge of that problem and we have to trust them and leave them do their job"

    This from Valverde. LOL.

    Hi,

    Thanks very much for this comment. It help me to think about my ideals.

    Tks again and pls keep posting.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    frenchfighter wrote:
    CT are doing a similar interview with Aldo Sassi if any of you wish to ask questions.

    http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2010/08/ ... more-13696

    Here it is:
    http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2010/09/ ... more-14590
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  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    Moray Gub wrote:
    Kléber wrote:
    Why? Some recognise their mistakes and try to move on, others just sit in denial.

    There's a scale where you can place Valverde at one end ("what, me doping, no, this is a grand injustice") and Millar at the other (spending his time helping WADA). All have cheated, some acknowledge it, whilst others refuse to deal with it.

    Thats really all rather irrelavant though as they all cheated in one form or another and they all copped a 2 year ban the fact that one chooses to get all pious about it does not alter that fact that they are all cheats together.

    It's not irrelevant at all - especially when it comes to public opinion and the propensity to reoffend.
  • Bronzie
    Bronzie Posts: 4,927
    frenchfighter wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    CT are doing a similar interview with Aldo Sassi if any of you wish to ask questions.

    http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2010/08/ ... more-13696

    Here it is:
    http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2010/09/ ... more-14590
    Good interview FF - that deserves it's own thread I think

    Seems Sassi already had some big questionmarks over Contador.
    Do you believe Alberto Contador can win 3 Grand Tours in a season like he has set out to do?

    Contador is superb. I think that he could win 3 in a season. But such a performance should be certified by additional program of anti-doping control and physiological survey.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    To be fair that looks more like having doubts over the chances of a rider winning all three legitimately (or to protect the rider from allegations) rather than doubts over Contador himself.
  • Bronzie
    Bronzie Posts: 4,927
    Or he's saying "That Contador is as dodgy as f*ck" without getting a lawsuit for it.





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