Bugatti V's M3
BigStu2
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEL5ABddZ0k&feature=fvw
Still blows my mind how much power those Bugattis put down, Kind of like Lance Armstrongs legs versus mine
Still blows my mind how much power those Bugattis put down, Kind of like Lance Armstrongs legs versus mine
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And that's not even the new "super" Veyron is it.0
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414bhp Vs 1001 bhp.
The M3 did surprisingly well I reckon!0 -
yeehaamcgee wrote:414bhp Vs 1001 bhp.
The M3 did surprisingly well I reckon!
SurfMatt would have beaten it in his 335d I reckon!0 -
Head start was probably turbo lag, and the engine getting bogged down by excess traction.0
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yeehaamcgee wrote:Head start was probably turbo lag, and the engine getting bogged down by excess traction.
I really hope that was supposed to be a comical statement!0 -
I do too, but you never know0
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i wonder how much of a better start the veyron would have had in the hands of the bmw driver in that video.0
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I dont think its especially difficult to get a veyron off the line tbh, 4 wheel drive, weights a boat load and is full of electronic gubbins.http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtop ... t=12613038Cat With No Tail wrote:Anyway, fk dis, I iz off 4 a ride innit. l8rz peepz0
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sheepsteeth wrote:i wonder how much of a better start the veyron would have had in the hands of the bmw driver in that video.
Done for dramatic effect ?0 -
rubins4 wrote:I dont think its especially difficult to get a veyron off the line tbh, 4 wheel drive, weights a boat load and is full of electronic gubbins.
Also, you can't just rev like a nutter and dump it, as you'll burn the clutch out.
On top of that, the turbo needs to be at a certain RPM in order to produce any power increase. Up to that optimum RPM, it can actually make things worse.
Couple those things together, and it's far far easier to get an M3 (no turbo) off to a belter of a start.
Stick an expert race driver in the Buggati though, who knows how to get the most out of it, and it would stomp all over the M3.0 -
well the text with the vid says the m3 was being driven by a dutch race driver but doesnt say who was driving the bugatti. thats what made me ask about how different the outcomes could be.
top gear demoed the difference between drivers the other week when the audi and a porsche were being compared, two different results with the drivers swapped .0 -
yeehaamcgee wrote:rubins4 wrote:I dont think its especially difficult to get a veyron off the line tbh, 4 wheel drive, weights a boat load and is full of electronic gubbins.
Also, you can't just rev like a nutter and dump it, as you'll burn the clutch out.
On top of that, the turbo needs to be at a certain RPM in order to produce any power increase. Up to that optimum RPM, it can actually make things worse.
Couple those things together, and it's far far easier to get an M3 (no turbo) off to a belter of a start.
Stick an expert race driver in the Buggati though, who knows how to get the most out of it, and it would stomp all over the M3.
I dont agree with all of that to be honest. As with any car, you need to get the revs right before you release the clutch, so i dont think thats specific to a 4wd. As for the Bugatti, its got the power to get off the line from virtually idle, and in that vid, it doesnlt look like it gets the best start. I reckon it would be childs play to recreate 'that start' again and again.
As for dumping the clutch, I dont think either of those cars that comment is applicable as, as they think they both have paddle shift 'boxes. Ok, you can get it in first, and give it a bootful, but its not going to be a massively quick start, particularly in the rwd M3.
I reckon the M3 is harder to get off the line, as its rwd, nothing to do with the fact its naturally aspirated. The Bug will destroy almost everything off the line, through sheer grunt alone, regardless of driver.http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtop ... t=12613038Cat With No Tail wrote:Anyway, fk dis, I iz off 4 a ride innit. l8rz peepz0 -
Either a useless Bugatti driver or a clear case of....' Go on then, I'll give you a ickle headstart'...considering the Bugatti can hit 100 around the same time the M3 can hit 60....
Nuff said!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADY2Ka_0f3o0 -
335d estate would have it0
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rubins4, it really is a fact that a 4wd car is harder to get a good start off the line. For those reasons I mentioned.
You should try it sometime and see how it's affected.
IF you can make best use of it, a 4wd car will absolutely rocket off the line, but it's a very rare skill.
As for the buggati beig able to leave the line at idle, yes. It can. BUT, it will be suffering severely from turbo lag. It is going to take some considerable time for it to reach the power band and then it really hits off.
Same thing is true in a Lancer evo, or an Imprezza turbo. If you don't keep the revs high, they can actually be beaten to about 30mph or so by something as mundane as a generic hot hatch!
The larger the turbo, the more it impedes power when it's not spinning.
They get past this in world rally cars (up to this year at least) by injecting petrol into the turbo. The petrol explodes, causing the turbo to spin up at any engine RPM, giving them full power immediately - but even THEN, they still use launch control to get off the line quickly.0 -
yeehaamcgee wrote:Same thing is true in a Lancer evo, or an Imprezza turbo. If you don't keep the revs high, they can actually be beaten to about 30mph or so by something as mundane as a generic hot hatch!
The larger the turbo, the more it impedes power when it's not spinning.
They get past this in world rally cars (up to this year at least) by injecting petrol into the turbo. The petrol explodes, causing the turbo to spin up at any engine RPM, giving them full power immediately - but even THEN, they still use launch control to get off the line quickly.
Get caught napping off boost and you could get embarrassed...even worse for the big power cars with turbos the size of small dustbins.
Anti lag (dumping petrol into the engine on the over-run that ignited going through the turbo) made for nice snappy throttle response and some chav-impressing flames/pops 'n' bangs coming from the exhaust . Often followed by a big bill for a new turbo...."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Anti lag in WRC cars is absolutely insane, produces peak power at virtually any engine RPM.
BUT, their turbos (and anti lag system) are incredibly expensive, and illegal for road use, which is why it has to be turned off for public roads.0 -
Proper anti-lag and turbos built to take it cost a fortune, yes. You could buy programmable ECU's for road cars that included a 'poor mans anti-lag' which was fun if used sparingly - such as when overtaking a chavved up hot hatch, or if someone got too close to your rear bumper at the traffic lights"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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What I want to know, is who spends £1m on a car, then rags it round a track?
Yeah, sure, that's the whole purpose of the car, but I'd have it locked up in an air tight garage if I'd spent that kind of money. There'd be special viewing suits in the airlock for when I show it off to my mates. Once a year I'd maybe take it out onto the drive, start it up and listen to it purr for 5 mins.
You can tune a car for a fraction of the price to get that performance on the track.0 -
If you owned a Veyron, and had it locked up in a garage, never to be driven, then you should, really, be hung drawn and quartered with a rusty bread knife.0
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sheepsteeth wrote:top gear demoed the difference between drivers the other week when the audi and a porsche were being compared, two different results with the drivers swapped .
just in case anyone missed it0 -
butcher of bakersfield wrote:What I want to know, is who spends £1m on a car, then rags it round a track?butcher of bakersfield wrote:You can tune a car for a fraction of the price to get that performance on the track."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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New Veyron is faster than virtually any production car round a track though.0
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yeehaamcgee wrote:New Veyron is faster than virtually any production car round a track though.
http://www.caparo-t1.com/
Its a production car, road legal :twisted: Costs peanuts compared to a Veyron...."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:yeehaamcgee wrote:New Veyron is faster than virtually any production car round a track though.
http://www.caparo-t1.com/
Its a production car, road legal :twisted: Costs peanuts compared to a Veyron....0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:yeehaamcgee wrote:New Veyron is faster than virtually any production car round a track though.
http://www.caparo-t1.com/
Its a production car, road legal :twisted: Costs peanuts compared to a Veyron....0 -
yeehaamcgee wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:yeehaamcgee wrote:New Veyron is faster than virtually any production car round a track though.
http://www.caparo-t1.com/
Its a production car, road legal :twisted: Costs peanuts compared to a Veyron....0 -
Ha.0
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bails87 wrote:yeehaamcgee wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:yeehaamcgee wrote:New Veyron is faster than virtually any production car round a track though.
http://www.caparo-t1.com/
Its a production car, road legal :twisted: Costs peanuts compared to a Veyron....
we never seem to chat about those cars anymore, its a shame.0