O/T Black Parents - White Baby
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Black Parents, white Baby
Can imagine the lady had some issues convincing him that he was the father.
The family will no doubt have awful problems in coming years with for example passport control accusing them of not being the parents
Can imagine the lady had some issues convincing him that he was the father.
The family will no doubt have awful problems in coming years with for example passport control accusing them of not being the parents
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Had the reverse scenario a while back in the town of my Birth (Dover), turns out either the father or mother (can't recall which) had a black great grand parent, the child was exactly as you would expect it to look from a fully black couple (more Michelle than Barack of the Obama's).....genetics can be strange!
Having said that a local teen (as in 'fif-teen'!) got pregnant, parents were really worried the child may be black, less worried that the daughter didn't know which of several 'suspects' was the dad, strange sense of perspective some people, I'd have been more concerned that she was behaving like a tramp than the colour of her muses!
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The Beginner wrote:Had the reverse scenario a while back in the town of my Birth (Dover), turns out either the father or mother (can't recall which) had a black great grand parent, the child was exactly as you would expect it to look from a fully black couple (more Michelle than Barack of the Obama's).....genetics can be strange!
Having said that a local teen (as in 'fif-teen'!) got pregnant, parents were really worried the child may be black, less worried that the daughter didn't know which of several 'suspects' was the dad, strange sense of perspective some people, I'd have been more concerned that she was behaving like a tramp than the colour of her muses!
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OMG this thread is totally racist. I'm now going to get really, really, really angry with Spen for the next 20 pages.
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I think you need to come round here and discipline me personallylost_in_thought wrote:OMG this thread is totally racist. I'm now going to get really, really, really angry with Spen for the next 20 pages.Want to know the Spen666 behind the posts?
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No 'known' indeed, but noted his mum was quite pale, so suspect some 'unknown' TBH.spen666 wrote:I'd not have posted this except for the bit in the story that says there is no known white ancestors in either family
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If you watch, "Who do you think you are?" there have been at least two cases of Black "Celebrities" who have discovered that they have White ancestors.
It seems that the slave owners in the Carribean used the women when and as they wanted.
There was also the case of one Black "Celebrity" finding out that his ancestor was the ACTUAL White slave owner...
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Talking of racism - I got racially abused on my commute yesterday, and told 'to get a car'. Bizarre! :shock:0
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Sewinman wrote:Talking of racism - I got racially abused on my commute yesterday, and told 'to get a car'. Bizarre! :shock:
My response to that would be, "Got one, thanks. Just not f*ckwitted enough to drive into central London in the rush hour".
Following on from what Splottboy said, there was a something I saw a while back where they took a small group of - how shall I put this? - strongly anti-immigration people and looked at their family trees. All of the group swore blind that they were as English as morris dancing, but it (unsurprisingly) turned out that they were a right old mix of French Huguenot, Irish, Eastern European Jewish and plenty else besides. The interesting thing is that immigrants to this country have tended to assimilate so much more than, say, America, where people still refer to themselves as Irish American, when the Irish link is five or six generations back (one great great great grandparent out of 32).1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Its not uncommon for most black people, especially from the Carribbean to have white ancestors or ancestors from other ethnicities.
Can the parents really 100% claim that they don't have any white ancestors. It may not be as simple as knowing who was whose parents. My Grandfather was actually raised by his Grandad on his Mum's side he never knew his Dad. That was back in 1920, if he didn't tell anyone we'd never know.
Have they DNA tested the baby? How long does it take for human genetic adaption to the environment to become the norm within DNA. Example if a group of black people lived in cold climate over a period of 1000yrs the offspring would eventually adapt to the climate - say straight hair, white skin, thinner nose bridge...
I too think that in some countries, they maybe stopped and questioned about the baby. Shouldn't be the case.lost_in_thought wrote:OMG this thread is totally racist. I'm now going to get really, really, really angry with Spen for the next 20 pages.
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BRITISH = Anglo "Saxon", German.
Jutes, German/Denmark.
Vikings, Scandinavian/French.
Normans, as above,
Celts, Austria.
There's probably dozens more, but we are all a MONGREL mix of races.
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DonDaddyD wrote:Its not uncommon for most black people, especially from the Carribbean to have white ancestors or ancestors from other ethnicities.
Can the parents really 100% claim that they don't have any white ancestors. It may not be as simple as knowing who was whose parents. My Grandfather was actually raised by his Grandad on his Mum's side he never knew his Dad. That was back in 1920, if he didn't tell anyone we'd never know.
Have they DNA tested the baby? How long does it take for human genetic adaption to the environment to become apparent within DNA. Example if a group of black people lived in cold climate over a period of 1000yrs the offspring would eventually adapt to the climate - say straight hair, white skin, thinner nose bridge...
I to think that in some countries, they maybe stopped and questioned about the baby. Shouldn't be the case.
This....
Who among any of us could state as fact who each and every of our ancestors was! I can trace mine on my mums side to the 1590s......they disappear before that behind 2 separate lines....one coincides with the Huguenots, the other leads to sanskrit documents.
Oh...and surely these days some couples will have a baby where the baby was from a father of different colour to the current partner?Whenever I see an adult on a bicycle, I believe in the future of the human race.
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Splottboy wrote:BRITISH = Anglo "Saxon", German.
Jutes, German/Denmark.
Vikings, Scandinavian/French.
Normans, as above,
Celts, Austria.
You forgot Romans. I like the Romans.Food Chain number = 4
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DonDaddyD wrote:Splottboy wrote:BRITISH = Anglo "Saxon", German.
Jutes, German/Denmark.
Vikings, Scandinavian/French.
Normans, as above,
Celts, Austria.
You forgot Romans. I like the Romans.
what about the greeks? they had awesome gods and monsters....Whenever I see an adult on a bicycle, I believe in the future of the human race.
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DonDaddyD wrote:Splottboy wrote:BRITISH = Anglo "Saxon", German.
Jutes, German/Denmark.
Vikings, Scandinavian/French.
Normans, as above,
Celts, Austria.
You forgot Romans. I like the Romans.
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DonDaddyD wrote:Its not uncommon for most black people, especially from the Carribbean to have white ancestors or ancestors from other ethnicities.
Can the parents really 100% claim that they don't have any white ancestors. It may not be as simple as knowing who was whose parents. My Grandfather was actually raised by his Grandad on his Mum's side he never knew his Dad. That was back in 1920, if he didn't tell anyone we'd never know.
Have they DNA tested the baby? How long does it take for human genetic adaption to the environment to become the norm within DNA. Example if a group of black people lived in cold climate over a period of 1000yrs the offspring would eventually adapt to the climate - say straight hair, white skin, thinner nose bridge...
I too think that in some countries, they maybe stopped and questioned about the baby. Shouldn't be the case.lost_in_thought wrote:OMG this thread is totally racist. I'm now going to get really, really, really angry with Spen for the next 20 pages.
Ignorance makes the World a nice place, eh?
I think it would take a lot longer than 1000 years. You have to wait for random mutations in the DNA to occur, and then if some of those random mutations confer some advantage over those who don't inherit them, then the particular mutation that confers that advantage will start to become more prevalent in the population. I think we are talking tens of thousands of years at least.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry wrote:
I think it would take a lot longer than 1000 years. You have to wait for random mutations in the DNA to occur, and then if some of those random mutations confer some advantage over those who don't inherit them, then the particular mutation that confers that advantage will start to become more prevalent in the population. I think we are talking tens of thousands of years at least.
True.
This brings me to Lion Man, there was a White Lion on the show that wasn't any previous species of White Lion nor albino - there was an explinantion for that maybe that could be applied to the baby.
There is also the probability that the baby could get darker as she gets older. Does happen.Food Chain number = 4
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DonDaddyD wrote:rjsterry wrote:
I think it would take a lot longer than 1000 years. You have to wait for random mutations in the DNA to occur, and then if some of those random mutations confer some advantage over those who don't inherit them, then the particular mutation that confers that advantage will start to become more prevalent in the population. I think we are talking tens of thousands of years at least.
True.
This brings me to Lion Man, there was a White Lion on the show that wasn't any previous species of White Lion nor albino - there was an explinantion for that maybe that could be applied to the baby.
There is also the probability that the baby could get darker as she gets older. Does happen.
Sounds similar to 'ghost bears' - black bears in a remote part of western Canada (I think) that have white fur, but are not albino. These things do pop up from time to time, but unless they confer some sort of advantage that will increase the chances of survival (and hence propagation of that mutation), the mutation will die out.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry wrote:
Sounds similar to 'ghost bears' - black bears in a remote part of western Canada (I think) that have white fur, but are not albino. These things do pop up from time to time, but unless they confer some sort of advantage that will increase the chances of survival (and hence propagation of that mutation), the mutation will die out.
Yes, like in X-men.Food Chain number = 4
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Exactly RJS - its called "fitness" in biological parlance. If its beneficial then natural selection will assist in it propagating through the rest of the species.
Have to say though DDD - not sure I've ever heard that "black" hair ie oval cross sectioned hair (which is why it curls) was due to a temperature benefit. I suspect that hair types and the locales that you know find them in were more to do with social expectations/desires. That nordic people have straight flaxen hair I suspect is not to do with it being easier to tidy up under their norse helmet before they go raiding
We should ask LiT - she has nordic hair 
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MonkeyMonster wrote:Exactly RJS - its called "fitness" in biological parlance. If its beneficial then natural selection will assist in it propagating through the rest of the species.
Have to say though DDD - not sure I've ever heard that "black" hair ie oval cross sectioned hair (which is why it curls) was due to a temperature benefit. I suspect that hair types and the locales that you know find them in were more to do with social expectations/desires. That nordic people have straight flaxen hair I suspect is not to do with it being easier to tidy up under their norse helmet before they go raiding We should ask LiT - she has nordic hair
mate wot are you talking about. Its black so it either absorbs or reflects heat. But most importantly, it holds in moisture like a sponge! Evolution at its finest.
Long straight hair covers more of the body and keeps out the cold.
You can use other animals as an example. In cold climates certain animals have thick long straight hair. Siberian tiger - example. In warmer climates they have short hair.Food Chain number = 4
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hah.. if only evolution was so simplistic that natural selection ensures the dominance of the 'most fit' solution and that each solution is so simple it is only based on one predicate....
I have been involved in some design of algorithms based on genetics..(i.e. populations of solutions, mated together with an added random mutation here or there...., then run through many many generations to see if new solutions are more fit than the starting one...)
to be honest..the hardest part is trying to work out what makes one solution 'more fit' than the next.....
and thats in limited problem spaces where we are talking about things like the classic 'travelling salesman' problem...biological evolution has far too many predicates, some of which we know about, others not...most evolutionists theory has a huge 'probably' all over it.
Probably also worth mentioning that not only the advantageous mutatations survive over generations....again..too simplistic...
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MonkeyMonster wrote:Exactly RJS - its called "fitness" in biological parlance. If its beneficial then natural selection will assist in it propagating through the rest of the species.
Have to say though DDD - not sure I've ever heard that "black" hair ie oval cross sectioned hair (which is why it curls) was due to a temperature benefit. I suspect that hair types and the locales that you know find them in were more to do with social expectations/desires. That nordic people have straight flaxen hair I suspect is not to do with it being easier to tidy up under their norse helmet before they go raiding We should ask LiT - she has nordic hair
Flaxen it may be, straight it sure ain't.
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