Moat had 3 shots in 3 seconds...

Splottboy
Splottboy Posts: 3,695
edited July 2010 in The bottom bracket
According to Yahoo News, audio recordings show that there were 3 shots in 3 seconds.

PAH!...I've drunk more, and faster.

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  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    On a serious note:-

    When I saw/heard the footage on the news, that's exactly what I thought.
    When a guy shoots himself in the head, why and how does he shoot more than once?
    I'll give you once more as a reaction/body twitch but as it was allegedly a shotgun he would have to reload for 3.

    Hmmm
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • AyrshireBacon
    AyrshireBacon Posts: 173
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_gunshot_suicide

    I thought I saw a report saying he shot himself twice. Could be one shot in the air, then reload, then two shots to self.
    time flies like an arrow
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  • Ollieda
    Ollieda Posts: 1,010
    Splottboy wrote:
    audio recordings show that there were 3 shots in 3 seconds.

    Doesn't mean they were all from him. Another report claims that the police used new tazers that are fired from a shotgun and possibly this could be what the other noises are on the recordings. So that would be two shots from police officers and one by himself.

    Not really sure how he could have fired 3 shots from a shotgun in 3 seconds, if he could then maybe he should have just joined the Team GB shooting squad instead of going on this little rampage!
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    On tazers...

    Doesn't an electrical shock contract the muscles?

    If so, a tazer shot would effectively pull the trigger.

    Clever way of resolving the issue........
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    According to latest reports he has been asking for psychiatric help for the last year.

    Sorry to sound bleeding heart liberal but if this is true then the guy's as much a victim as everybody else involved.
  • Ollieda
    Ollieda Posts: 1,010
    daviesee wrote:
    On tazers...

    Doesn't an electrical shock contract the muscles?

    If so, a tazer shot would effectively pull the trigger.

    Clever way of resolving the issue........

    It is possible that if shot first by tazer it could have caused him to pull the trigger. As of yet its still not clear the order of shots so and if shot with a tazer if that caused him to fire, we'll have to wait to find out what the investigation finds.

    Worth bearing in mind though that if he was hit with a tazer first it doesn't guarentee he would pull the trigger, different people and different muscles all react differently.
  • StanwaySteve62
    StanwaySteve62 Posts: 702
    No Morstar you are plain wrong, if he was smart enough to stay away from the police he was smart enough to know that killing people is wrong
  • Splottboy
    Splottboy Posts: 3,695
    Psychological help?

    If you taking steroids, doin "bird" and that's your lifestyle, then , yes psychological help "MAY" have helped.

    But, it's starts with the individual.

    I've done Mtb Leaders course not far from that area, in a childrens/youth Prison.

    Staff said, as soon as the kids get out, the families are egging them into doing crime, drugs, and issued physical violence/sexual abuse if they refused.
    Prison the best place for them, apparently...

    Could be the outside influences, attitude, influence of others thats a root cause.
  • AidanR
    AidanR Posts: 1,142
    StanwaySteve62 wrote:
    No Morstar you are plain wrong, if he was smart enough to stay away from the police he was smart enough to know that killing people is wrong

    Yeah, 'cos that's how mental illness works :roll:
    Bike lover and part-time cyclist.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    StanwaySteve62 wrote:
    No Morstar you are plain wrong, if he was smart enough to stay away from the police he was smart enough to know that killing people is wrong

    Very black and white world that one!

    FWIW, I don't think he ever lost the concept of right and wrong. It does appear as though he knew he was losing respect for the boundaries. If, as reported, he repeatedly sounded the alarm bell and it was ignored then society has a question or two itself.

    Care in the community...Discuss.
  • Ollieda
    Ollieda Posts: 1,010
    I thought he was seeking help because he fully believed people were out to get him and he wanted protection from the police. If he believed there was a threat then thats his belief.......if he was just suffering from paranoia and tried to get help for it then he could be called a "victim of the system"

    some might argue that his beliefs and attitude should have alerted the police and he should have been under some sort of survaillance, true, but if you want the police to do that then those people should pay more taxes as these things cost money and we can't expect the police to be keeping an eye on everyone who posses a slight threat......before he started shooting there were many other people in the country that posed a higher threat risk that the police would have been watching.
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    morstar wrote:

    Care in the community...Discuss.

    Further. Community?....Discuss
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    daviesee wrote:
    morstar wrote:

    Care in the community...Discuss.

    Further. Community?....Discuss

    I'd send you to sleep. Probably myself too.
  • legin
    legin Posts: 132
    ive seen intel bulletins from prison saying this man is about to be released after serving 8 years of a 15 year prison sentence and he has stated he hates the police and has expressed a desire to kill a police officer.yet he is released early.i just dont understand.


    all the jokes about him are not raulmotely funny either.
  • bearfraser
    bearfraser Posts: 435
    At least he has saved us all 10s of thousands of pounds looking after the like of him in prison. Shall we bring back capital punishment or at least have sentences that actually mean something !!!!!!!!!!!! :!: :!: :!: :!:
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    bearfraser wrote:
    At least he has saved us all 10s of thousands of pounds looking after the like of him in prison. Shall we bring back capital punishment or at least have sentences that actually mean something !!!!!!!!!!!! :!: :!: :!: :!:

    The legal wranglings of conducting capital punishment, given that a mistake is literally fatal, are much more expensive than the cost of having someone in prison for the rest of their life FYI...
    _
  • zanes
    zanes Posts: 563
    morstar wrote:
    According to latest reports he has been asking for psychiatric help for the last year.

    Sorry to sound bleeding heart liberal but if this is true then the guy's as much a victim as everybody else involved.

    +1
  • rake
    rake Posts: 3,204
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    bearfraser wrote:
    At least he has saved us all 10s of thousands of pounds looking after the like of him in prison. Shall we bring back capital punishment or at least have sentences that actually mean something !!!!!!!!!!!! :!: :!: :!: :!:

    The legal wranglings of conducting capital punishment, given that a mistake is literally fatal, are much more expensive than the cost of having someone in prison for the rest of their life FYI...
    not every case is a mistake.
  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    Didnt he kill himself ?
  • zanes
    zanes Posts: 563
    rake wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    bearfraser wrote:
    At least he has saved us all 10s of thousands of pounds looking after the like of him in prison. Shall we bring back capital punishment or at least have sentences that actually mean something !!!!!!!!!!!! :!: :!: :!: :!:

    The legal wranglings of conducting capital punishment, given that a mistake is literally fatal, are much more expensive than the cost of having someone in prison for the rest of their life FYI...
    not every case is a mistake.

    Not every case is not a mistake.
  • Cleat Eastwood
    Cleat Eastwood Posts: 7,508
    Not every not case is not a not mistake...not
    The dissenter is every human being at those moments of his life when he resigns
    momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    rake wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    bearfraser wrote:
    At least he has saved us all 10s of thousands of pounds looking after the like of him in prison. Shall we bring back capital punishment or at least have sentences that actually mean something !!!!!!!!!!!! :!: :!: :!: :!:

    The legal wranglings of conducting capital punishment, given that a mistake is literally fatal, are much more expensive than the cost of having someone in prison for the rest of their life FYI...
    not every case is a mistake.

    Every case is more expensive than a life sentance.
    _
  • Homer J
    Homer J Posts: 920
    For what he did he got what he deserved, the world is a safer place without him walking it.
  • crumbschief
    crumbschief Posts: 3,399
    I can do it with creme de menthe but i find it harder with whisky at that speed.
  • what brakes
    what brakes Posts: 328
    Ollieda wrote:
    Splottboy wrote:
    Not really sure how he could have fired 3 shots from a shotgun in 3 seconds, if he could then maybe he should have just joined the Team GB shooting squad instead of going on this little rampage!

    QUite easy really! a semi auto shotgun has 3 rounds! you can get shotguns with upto and in excess of 10 rounds!

    As for firing 3 shots in 3 seconds the world record is something like 6 shot in 1.9sec or something stupidly quick.... cant quite remember and cant be bothered to double check...

    On the other note yep hes saved the public a shugar load of money! does that mean our taxes can be droped!

    the problem with him claiming he was gunna hurt someone or threatening someone, the law can not react on threats like that! the vast majority of scroats that are released make threats either before or on release! and nothing can be done! unfortunately that the law and with all the tree huggers and do gooders even locking someone up for a crime is against their human rights! yeah ok buddy! what about the victims human rights......
  • awallace
    awallace Posts: 191
    rapid_uphill wrote:
    The pigs killed him because he had mental health problems, theres justice for you.

    I didnt realise you were there at the scene? Please describe what happened in more detail??
  • zanes
    zanes Posts: 563
    edited July 2010
    what brakes wrote:
    Ollieda wrote:
    Not really sure how he could have fired 3 shots from a shotgun in 3 seconds, if he could then maybe he should have just joined the Team GB shooting squad instead of going on this little rampage!

    QUite easy really! a semi auto shotgun has 3 rounds! you can get shotguns with upto and in excess of 10 rounds!

    I presumed the 3 shots would have been;

    2x Shotgun fired tazer things
    1x (Fatal) round from Moat

    In whichever order you like.
  • gavintc
    gavintc Posts: 3,009
    I really do not get the mass outpouring of sympathy for this man, and mistrust of the police over the evidence.
  • Splottboy
    Splottboy Posts: 3,695
    Help! I've been misquoted!!

    Not my words, not my quote...

    I'm erked, I feel quite erksome.

    Very erked all round, LOL!
  • zanes
    zanes Posts: 563
    Fixxored my quoting of a miss attributed quote :wink:
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