WADA develop new test 'faster, better, cheaper'

micron
micron Posts: 1,843
edited July 2010 in Pro race
To be used retrospectively on TdF samples stretching back 8 years

http://www.physorg.com/news197551548.html

Apologies if this has already been posted - if so please ignore

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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    The cobbles are going to be very slippery tomorrow with all those riders crapping themselves

    Let's hope this one goes somewhere.
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  • Doobz
    Doobz Posts: 2,800
    Its about time :D
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  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    'That leaves only the big protein-like substances such as growth hormones and EPO which cannot be detected by this method.'

    Nothing important then...
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  • micron
    micron Posts: 1,843
    But there are already tests for HGH and EPO and most scientists agree that doping has moved on to newer methods and undetectable substances.

    Interested in the commitment to retesting samples from 8 years ago onwards - haven't seen anything from ASO about that
  • stagehopper
    stagehopper Posts: 1,593
    Really weird article - TOF-MS and GC-TOF is at least two decades old. I had my own research samples analysed this way a good 15 years ago.
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  • micron
    micron Posts: 1,843
    Apparently it was developed to test Dutch cows
  • steve_pushbiker
    steve_pushbiker Posts: 91
    Stagehopper, it's not the technique that's new, it's the way that they have implemented the chromatography prior to the mass spec. It's a modified protocol to ensure they catch as many metabolites as possible. The samples could then be rerun a different way to look for bigger things (HGH, epo etc.). You're right though that the techniques are old.
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    steve_pushbiker wrote:
    Stagehopper, it's not the technique that's new, it's the way that they have implemented the chromatography prior to the mass spec. It's a modified protocol to ensure they catch as many metabolites as possible. The samples could then be rerun a different way to look for bigger things (HGH, epo etc.). You're right though that the techniques are old.


    Yeah, c'mon stagehopper, that's bleedin' obvious :wink:
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  • stagehopper
    stagehopper Posts: 1,593
    steve_pushbiker wrote:
    Stagehopper, it's not the technique that's new, it's the way that they have implemented the chromatography prior to the mass spec. It's a modified protocol to ensure they catch as many metabolites as possible. The samples could then be rerun a different way to look for bigger things (HGH, epo etc.). You're right though that the techniques are old.

    Be interested to see the paper itself. Think I was just assuming they (WADA) already had a wide-ranging GCMS or LCMS protocol to test for multiple metabolites like this. Think part of the problem is the article itself in physorg.com is dumbed down.
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  • steve_pushbiker
    steve_pushbiker Posts: 91
    It's here if you want to take a look:
    http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi- ... /HTMLSTART
    I think they probably do but its not as fast or can only detect fewer metabolites in an equivalent run time.
  • stagehopper
    stagehopper Posts: 1,593
    thanks for the link s_p. I assumed they were doing this already hence my confusion! Good to see it's now validated.
    @stagehopper
  • kitsunegari
    kitsunegari Posts: 131
    Interesting read, I wonder what it will do to professional cycling.

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