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shouldbeinbed
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"A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"
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Brilliant news.
Can we now save something worthwhile that people actually make use of...
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guinea wrote:Brilliant news.
Can we now save something worthwhile that people actually make use of...
More facebook followers than listeners.
there were obvoiusly enough of us who do make use of it and did enough to convince the BBC Trust that we do to save it. there are plenty of other bits of the BBC that have the unfair competitive advantage of an FM listing.
I've never been asked if I listen to it and don't know of anyone that has, theres lies dam/ned lies and listening figures.
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I'd be very happy for the BBC to move out of areas which can be / are covered by other broadcasters, and stick to niches which wouldn't otherwise be commercially viable. That way, we get the best of all worlds. Quality mainstream content and quality diverse content.
So, for example, we don't need Radio 1, as that niche is well covered by commercial stations, similarly for almost everything on BBC1. Conversely, 6 Music and obscure programmes on BBC4 about ocean liners of the 30s, which cost peanuts to make but can be strangely compelling to watch when sh1t faced late at night, are to be welcomed.
The bottom line is that the BBC should be run in the interests of the fee-payers, not the staff (esp. the management) who work there. Senior management want to see the BBC as the premier broadcaster in the world, with stellar budgets to match, as such an empire helps them to justify the fat benefits packages they award themselves. Regardless of whether such an institution is in our interest, the people who pay for it. Which it isn't.
So hurrah for the on-a-shoestring 6 Music being saved, and good riddance to Wossy et al. Paycuts across the board for the remainder. If it's so much better at commercial stations, and you're "worth it", then clear off there instead. They'll soon wise up too.0 -
rdt wrote:The bottom line is that the BBC should be run in the interests of the fee-payers, not the staff (esp. the management) who work there. Senior management want to see the BBC as the premier broadcaster in the world, with stellar budgets to match, as such an empire helps them to justify the fat benefits packages they award themselves. Regardless of whether such an institution is in our interest, the people who pay for it. Which it isn't.
Trust me, you have no idea about senior management in the BBC.
The thing is, my point is not about what niche programming the BBC should, or should not be doing. It's about the fact that the bandwagon that axing 6 music created was filled mostly by people who'd never listened to the damn station.
The Daily Mash summed it up perfectly
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts ... 003032520/
I am an angler and a cyclist both are hgue participation sports, perhaps even the biggest two, with little or no representation in the media. It annoys me that BBC programming doesn't reflect the public's main interests.0 -
ti be fair neither cycling nor angling are great sports for painting mental pictures on the radio with.
9 hours of sitting by a riverbank pulling the odd fish out and occasionally drinking from a flask and 6 hours riding along in a big camouflage bunch before it all goes mad in the last 100 metres (to the uninitiated) doesn't really give a lot for the commentators to get their teeth into to converse with Joe Public.
mobilise the anglers, mobilise the cyclists, launch campaigns to the BBC Trust if you want it changed and have the numbers to do it or is it better just to slate soemone elses efforts in support of something they feel strongly about then get up and make your own for yours?
Call me cynical but I suspect the BBC Trust have probably made their minds up from the grundswell of support pouring into BBC 6 and onto the BBC websites themselves rather than being swayed by the great arbiter of public opinion that is facebook.0 -
shouldbeinbed wrote:Call me cynical but I suspect the BBC Trust have probably made their minds up from the grundswell of support pouring into BBC 6 and onto the BBC websites themselves rather than being swayed by the great arbiter of public opinion that is facebook.
Actually, I don't call you cycnical enough.
The BBC knew exactly what they were doing when they picked on 6 music. They knew they were hitting the new media/blog/twitter generation that would make a huge racket and vallidate the BBC's position as the supplier of stuff that others wouldn't do.
The BBC played it perfectly.0 -
guinea wrote:Brilliant news.
Can we now save something worthwhile that people actually make use of...
More facebook followers than listeners.
Possibly the hoo ha about it being shut down gave the station the publicity it both needed and deserved.None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.0 -
My favourite station scurrying getting a DAB radio 3 years ago. If anything 6music should be the budgetary model pursued by the trust from now on.+++++++++++++++++++++
we are the proud, the few, Descendents.
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So because of all the hype, 6 music was put on in our Lab to see what all the fuss was about.
It was great for the first few days, but so sick of hearing virtually the same playlist every single day. Maybe if they didn't run it on a shoestring they would have the rights to play more than the 20 songs they played over and over for 2 weeks.0 -
tomb8555 wrote:So because of all the hype, 6 music was put on in our Lab to see what all the fuss was about.
It was great for the first few days, but so sick of hearing virtually the same playlist every single day. Maybe if they didn't run it on a shoestring they would have the rights to play more than the 20 songs they played over and over for 2 weeks.
When was this?
I barely remember hearing the same song twice.None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.0 -
May and part of June. OK so it wasn't exactly the same playlist every day, but there were a good 6 or 7 songs that would get played every single day for about a week, and then the next week it'd be a different few songs that always were played. i guess that's the nature of radio though, but it does get a little tedious.0
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At least the Asian Network is going...
Once the 6 music supporters have sunk back into their pizza box nests we can try again...0 -
tomb8555 wrote:May and part of June. OK so it wasn't exactly the same playlist every day, but there were a good 6 or 7 songs that would get played every single day for about a week, and then the next week it'd be a different few songs that always were played. i guess that's the nature of radio though, but it does get a little tedious.
I guess it comes down to how long you listen.
Sometimes at work I have to concentrate
As far as I know, all stations have playlists.
I find 6 Music to be the most varied and probably more to the point, to my taste.
Each to their own but very few people I know listen to digital radio so the station and format could well be doomed. But then the Government are going to force everyone to ditch the airwaves to digital for " progress" (read money).
New can of worms :evil:
The head count could be lower for the next 3 weeks. I am working too hard in the morning to listen so I can concentrate on watching the Tour in the afternoon Shhhhhh None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.0 -
daviesee wrote:tomb8555 wrote:May and part of June. OK so it wasn't exactly the same playlist every day, but there were a good 6 or 7 songs that would get played every single day for about a week, and then the next week it'd be a different few songs that always were played. i guess that's the nature of radio though, but it does get a little tedious.
As far as I know, all stations have playlists.
I find 6 Music to be the most varied and probably more to the point, to my taste.
+1 and a lot of the stuff is different to that which you'll find replicated over the dials on near clones like XFM & Virgin or Radio1 and the commercial Key 103 types.0 -
guinea wrote:shouldbeinbed wrote:Call me cynical but I suspect the BBC Trust have probably made their minds up from the grundswell of support pouring into BBC 6 and onto the BBC websites themselves rather than being swayed by the great arbiter of public opinion that is facebook.
Actually, I don't call you cycnical enough.
The BBC knew exactly what they were doing when they picked on 6 music. They knew they were hitting the new media/blog/twitter generation that would make a huge racket and vallidate the BBC's position as the supplier of stuff that others wouldn't do.
The BBC played it perfectly.
Spot on, my wife thought I was conspiracy potty when I said that the Beeb was only carrying out an advertising campaign that cost nothing. I bet lauren Laverne and Sean keaveney were behind it all.................
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guinea wrote:It's about the fact that the bandwagon that axing 6 music created was filled mostly by people who'd never listened to the damn station.
how do you know that? It seems to me that 6music listeners have been very forthright in their protests since the axing was announced.
The fact that the listenership has doubled since that event proves to me that while the BBC had (inadvertantly) produced a high quality channel that relatively few listened to - they seemed to be rather reluctant to change this - and instead of advertising 6Music over the network still seem obsessed with improving R1 and R2 figures above all else - and trailing shite like Lee Nelson between every programme.
If the BBC had ever recognised what they had - and if they had publicised it - I believe that the figures would have risen fairly dramatically - but possibly to the detriment of their flagship stations.
so that answer is.....shut down Radios 1 and 2. You know it makes sense.0 -
guinea wrote:shouldbeinbed wrote:Call me cynical but I suspect the BBC Trust have probably made their minds up from the grundswell of support pouring into BBC 6 and onto the BBC websites themselves rather than being swayed by the great arbiter of public opinion that is facebook.
Actually, I don't call you cycnical enough.
The BBC knew exactly what they were doing when they picked on 6 music. They knew they were hitting the new media/blog/twitter generation that would make a huge racket and vallidate the BBC's position as the supplier of stuff that others wouldn't do.
The BBC played it perfectly.
are you now going to tell us the one about the Moon landing hoax?0 -
tomb8555 wrote:May and part of June. OK so it wasn't exactly the same playlist every day, but there were a good 6 or 7 songs that would get played every single day for about a week, and then the next week it'd be a different few songs that always were played. i guess that's the nature of radio though, but it does get a little tedious.
The only time I don't really listen to 6music is between 10 and 4 as it becomes most like other stations but without the ads and there's still occasional stuff you would never hear anywhere else - rare tracks, Peel sessions, comissioned music, etc. I'm guessing it's the usual remit about being commercial during daytime though I don;t undertsand why the BBC needs to behave like a commerical station.
That said - 6Music is the LEAST guilty of this sort of thing than any radio station I've ever listened to - tbh - your experience does not ring true at all - and I do notice the repetitive nature of most other stations including R2. Think it's odd that you level this accusation at 6music - what were you listening to before that was so fantastic?
In the evenings on 6Music is where you would hear the real difference - and at weekends - Lee Scratch Perry, Tom Ravenscroft, Don Letts, Gideon Cole, Jarvis Cocker, The Freak Zone, The Freakier Zone, Mark Riley, Craig Charles Funk Show, Steve Lamacq, Adam Buxton etc.
F*cking marvellous - finally I'm getting my money's worth for the license fee.0
