Contador Mystery training

iainf72

Good post on the Inner Ring

http://theinnerring.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... plans.html

It seems everyone manages to ramp up a lot of % in a short period of time these days.

dave_1

"next question" said a lot about ac last summer

Homer J

So, what has contador got to hide? (now if i can find a graph from somewhere)

blazing_saddles

This is the sort of article that could start another posting frenzy over in the Cyclingnews warzone.

Kléber

Without the real SRM data it's hard to know for sure and we'll never get this detail from riders or teams. For example take the time up Alpe d'Huez and you might think it was slow but it was windy and if this means a tailwind at times, it means a strength sapping headwind too. So the time isn't necessarily an indication of the form, although I don't know what figures are being used.

Didn't Brajkovic post something on twitter about gaining 50 watts since the Dauphine? That's got be more than 10%. Big gain.

DaveyL

iainf72 wrote:

Good post on the Inner Ring

http://theinnerring.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... plans.html

It seems everyone manages to ramp up a lot of % in a short period of time these days.

True champions have no need of training. They simply summon the Muse whenever it suits them, and they attack.

dave_1

Kléber wrote:

Without the real SRM data it's hard to know for sure and we'll never get this detail from riders or teams. For example take the time up Alpe d'Huez and you might think it was slow but it was windy and if this means a tailwind at times, it means a strength sapping headwind too. So the time isn't necessarily an indication of the form, although I don't know what figures are being used.

Didn't Brajkovic post something on twitter about gaining 50 watts since the Dauphine? That's got be more than 10%. Big gain.

strange how there were no headwinds on Alpe D'huez for 12 years of tdf stages, be it mtt or 100 mile road stages. The first 4 miles of the Alpe were not windy in the Dauphine and the speed was 2km ph off Pantani for that section. I don't think AC will dominate this years tdf

pedro118118

Contandor wasn't even going full gas on the Alpe?!

He was attacking, then slowing right down, then attacking (briefly) again. Repeatedly. Wasn't like when Carlos Sastre rode up as fast as he could all the way.

Not sure Contador's time up the Alpe in the Dauphine means anything.

msw

"But at the same time, a rider can only ride his bike. It comes down to kilometres ridden, intensities, intervals and wattages."

New record for fastest self-contradiction?

dave_1

pedro118118 wrote:

Contandor wasn't even going full gas on the Alpe?!

He was attacking, then slowing right down, then attacking (briefly) again. Repeatedly. Wasn't like when Carlos Sastre rode up as fast as he could all the way.

Not sure Contador's time up the Alpe in the Dauphine means anything.

how do we know ac was not going flat out? His spin machine fed us the training line but his face told another story

iainf72

Dave_1 wrote:

how do we know ac was not going flat out? His spin machine fed us the training line but his face told another story

He's would've been giving it 100%. But if his form wasn't 100% (which it wasn't) it would've been like giving it 90%

Easy.

dave_1

iainf72 wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

how do we know ac was not going flat out? His spin machine fed us the training line but his face told another story

He's would've been giving it 100%. But if his form wasn't 100% (which it wasn't) it would've been like giving it 90%

Easy.

That is true,we will see... The margin of improvement in 3 weeks should in theory be small, not huge.

ride_whenever

quite simply elite athletes shouldn't be able to do it...

Even 5% is astonishing.


10% in 3 weeks is more than doable for novices though...

ballspondroad

"Or it could be that Perthuis has his numbers wrong and that Contador's gains aren't as significant as the journalist thinks"

Arkibal

ballspondroad wrote:

"Or it could be that Perthuis has his numbers wrong and that Contador's gains aren't as significant as the journalist thinks"

+1

Also this:
"But when the Spaniard arrives at the Tour, his numbers are up by some 10%"
Where did Perthuis pull this number from?
Very unlikely that he has seen Contador's power meter?

calvjones

'Today Aldo Sassi will explain the regimes of his riders'

Anyone seen this yet?

Anonymous

Arkibal wrote:

ballspondroad wrote:

"Or it could be that Perthuis has his numbers wrong and that Contador's gains aren't as significant as the journalist thinks"

+1

Also this:
"But when the Spaniard arrives at the Tour, his numbers are up by some 10%"
Where did Perthuis pull this number from?
Very unlikely that he has seen Contador's power meter?

Heamatocrit numbers?

RichN95.

I'm not sure any of these numbers are to be taken too literally - it's generally riders or coaches saying they trained well and are in top condition. Generally displaying confidence.

They always improve 5% or 10%, which are nice roundish numbers. No-one ever seems to improve 4% or 6.5%

It's like when a rider says he's going to give 110% for the team. No-one asks what the extra 10% is meant to be (expect on the CN forum where they would have 15 pages about how it proves he's doping).

blazing_saddles

Dave_1 wrote:

how do we know ac was not going flat out? His spin machine fed us the training line but his face told another story

Dave. I must be honest, I had the same doubts as you. While he was obviously not 100% ready on the Alpe, he looked as if he would struggle, to hold sustained attacks, come July.

I watched the Ventoux stage of the 2007 Dauphine, a few days back.
Bertie was anonymous for most of the race and finished behind Leipheimer and quite a few other riders on the giant.
No attacks, nada, just following wheels.
We all know what happened in July.

His performance on the Alpe 2010, was in a different league to Ventoux, 2007.

Kléber

calvjones wrote:

'Today Aldo Sassi will explain the regimes of his riders'

Anyone seen this yet?

Yes, I think it was Bici that visited Basso for a several days, the rider was doing a transparency thing by inviting the rider and Sassi was on hand to with explanations of motor paced sessions, target wattages, lactate measurements and all. It was detailed.

Similarly Sassi was in La Gazzetta during the Giro with insights into Basso and Evans.

calvjones

Kléber wrote:

calvjones wrote:

'Today Aldo Sassi will explain the regimes of his riders'

Anyone seen this yet?

Yes, I think it was Bici that visited Basso for a several days, the rider was doing a transparency thing by inviting the rider and Sassi was on hand to with explanations of motor paced sessions, target wattages, lactate measurements and all. It was detailed.

Similarly Sassi was in La Gazzetta during the Giro with insights into Basso and Evans.

Oh right, thought the 'today' bit meant it was a new thing

Doobz

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

how do we know ac was not going flat out? His spin machine fed us the training line but his face told another story

Dave. I must be honest, I had the same doubts as you. While he was obviously not 100% ready on the Alpe, he looked as if he would struggle, to hold sustained attacks, come July.

I watched the Ventoux stage of the 2007 Dauphine, a few days back.
Bertie was anonymous for most of the race and finished behind Leipheimer and quite a few other riders on the giant.
No attacks, nada, just following wheels.
We all know what happened in July.

His performance on the Alpe 2010, was in a different league to Ventoux, 2007.

you have to remember before he started this last block of racing this year that he had just been on 3 weeks holiday. So, to expect him to be able to fire like he will in the tour is very optimistic. I can easily see a 10% increase from then till now.

one thing I am curious about is his National TT and why he did not take part. Was it to keep his rivals guessing about the numbers he is currently putting out?

dave_1

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

how do we know ac was not going flat out? His spin machine fed us the training line but his face told another story

Dave. I must be honest, I had the same doubts as you. While he was obviously not 100% ready on the Alpe, he looked as if he would struggle, to hold sustained attacks, come July.

I watched the Ventoux stage of the 2007 Dauphine, a few days back.
Bertie was anonymous for most of the race and finished behind Leipheimer and quite a few other riders on the giant.
No attacks, nada, just following wheels.
We all know what happened in July.

His performance on the Alpe 2010, was in a different league to Ventoux, 2007.

I hope we're right Blaze as it will be an exicting TDF! The stage in the Dauphine 09 where he let Evans and Valverde drop him near the finish showed, in hindsight, he really was training. Did the Dauphine TT result last month put him on the back foot a little, hence the volley of attacks on the Alpe?

frenchfighter

I’m telling you, he’s above anything I’ve known
- D la Fuente

micron

Bruyneel is claiming Armstrong improved 10% in 3 days

dave_1

micron wrote:

Bruyneel is claiming Armstrong improved 10% in 3 days

hopefully your posts will too