Anybody get ticketed in Peckham this morning?

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  • davmaggs
    davmaggs Posts: 1,008
    I don't think policing works on weighing up risks or for that matter listening to residents. Its often about how easy it is to do and how many bodies they have on a shift.

    That same area won't have that number of uniforms on it at late on a Friday night.
  • Headhuunter
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    blu3cat wrote:
    Headhuunter wrote:
    JonGinge wrote:
    Butterd2 wrote:
    shinybits wrote:
    TFL and the coppers were out in force this morning along Rye Lane in Peckham this morning, nicking cyclists for riding on the pavement. It's absolutely ridiculous - if they actually finished the roadworks that they started about 6 months ago, then we could all ride on the road again, rather than battle with the pedestrians.

    Anybody get done? I was lucky enough to spot them and hop off.

    Firstly in my short experience of using this forum I would not recommend admitting to anything even slightly naughty, the self righteous will jump on you pdq. (how they have time to post on the forum when they spend so much time sat at red lights and walking bikes along pavements I'm not sure :shock: )
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    Butterd2 wrote:
    This reminds me of one morning when I saw 8 Police/PCO's guarding a 20m stretch of path in Greenwich park between the end of the cycle lane and the side gate. Apart from the utter pointlessness of this what really bugs me waste of resources that I'm sure could be put to better use elsewhere. To be fair the proper coppers looked like they felt the same but the PCO's were loving it.
    Thing is a lot of these ticketing stings are due to the police having to take notice of what the local community is saying. They get a lot of complaints about RLJing and pavement riding and so have to take action.

    We do it to ourselves, we do, and that's what really hurts... *fires up spotify*

    But this is just reactionary policing. What the average Joe on the street gets riled about is not necessarily the most danger to him or her. Policing should be allocated in relation to danger on the road. Are 8 police and PCOs guarding a stretch of 20m of path between 2 cycle lanes not better employed getting drivers to slow down, preventing them using their mobiles and perhaps getting the number of people with illegally darkened side windows on cars down, rather than fannying about on a 20 metre stretch of path in a park. And if the 20m stretch is where I think it is, why not just create a cycle lane on it? It's wide enough and it would save taxpayers money and police time.

    But what happens if by doing this around different parts of the town / city for a week they generate enough revenue to pay for the Police Time used for a month? Is that a waste of resources then? :roll:

    OK, yes, this sort of policing generates revenue. Whether it actually covers costs or makes a profit I don't know, do you? But in any case, since when was policing driven by revenue generation potential and knee jerk reaction to local opinion? :roll: :roll:
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  • ketsbaia
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    Headhuunter wrote:
    But in any case, since when was policing driven by revenue generation potential and knee jerk reaction to local opinion? :roll: :roll:

    6 June 2010? :lol:
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  • Headhuunter
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    ketsbaia wrote:
    Headhuunter wrote:
    But in any case, since when was policing driven by revenue generation potential and knee jerk reaction to local opinion? :roll: :roll:

    6 June 2010? :lol:

    What happened on the 6th June?
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  • lost_in_thought
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    Headhuunter wrote:
    ketsbaia wrote:
    Headhuunter wrote:
    But in any case, since when was policing driven by revenue generation potential and knee jerk reaction to local opinion? :roll: :roll:

    6 June 2010? :lol:

    What happened on the 6th June?

    D-Day. Come on, have you no knowledge of history?

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  • spen666
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    Headhuunter wrote:
    ketsbaia wrote:
    Headhuunter wrote:
    But in any case, since when was policing driven by revenue generation potential and knee jerk reaction to local opinion? :roll: :roll:

    6 June 2010? :lol:

    What happened on the 6th June?

    66th anniversary of D Day Landings?
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  • spen666
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    lost_in_thought wrote:
    Headhuunter wrote:
    ketsbaia wrote:
    Headhuunter wrote:
    But in any case, since when was policing driven by revenue generation potential and knee jerk reaction to local opinion? :roll: :roll:

    6 June 2010? :lol:

    What happened on the 6th June?

    D-Day. Come on, have you no knowledge of history?

    Also, I meant to say, Sushi Hiro = excellent. Great tip.

    Grrrrr you beat me to it
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  • Porgy
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    edited June 2010
    spen666 wrote:
    Headhuunter wrote:
    ketsbaia wrote:
    Headhuunter wrote:
    But in any case, since when was policing driven by revenue generation potential and knee jerk reaction to local opinion? :roll: :roll:

    6 June 2010? :lol:

    What happened on the 6th June?

    66th anniversary of D Day Landings?

    I think the original event may have occurred on the 6th June too.
  • ketsbaia
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    Gnnnnn.

    Mental note to self: If cracking a political 'funny', get the date right.

    Meant 6 May 2010, obv.
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  • Headhuunter
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    lost_in_thought wrote:
    Headhuunter wrote:
    ketsbaia wrote:
    Headhuunter wrote:
    But in any case, since when was policing driven by revenue generation potential and knee jerk reaction to local opinion? :roll: :roll:

    6 June 2010? :lol:

    What happened on the 6th June?

    D-Day. Come on, have you no knowledge of history?

    Also, I meant to say, Sushi Hiro = excellent. Great tip.

    No prob on the recommendation. So will you go back? Was the sushi good? I still don't get the link between my original comment about policing and the D Day landings.... Am I just being thick?
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  • lost_in_thought
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    spen666 wrote:
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    Headhuunter wrote:
    ketsbaia wrote:
    Headhuunter wrote:
    But in any case, since when was policing driven by revenue generation potential and knee jerk reaction to local opinion? :roll: :roll:

    6 June 2010? :lol:

    What happened on the 6th June?

    D-Day. Come on, have you no knowledge of history?

    Also, I meant to say, Sushi Hiro = excellent. Great tip.

    Grrrrr you beat me to it

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  • thistle_
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    Cycling Weekly are reporting on something similar now:

    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/lat ... rning.html


    I quite like "Cyclists heading into a busy city like London need to be aware of the different hazards they face - especially around HGVs and their blind spots - and that's why our officers are out in the community, giving specialist urban cycling advice."

    So when a lorry overtakes and cuts you up are they going to ticket the cyclist for driving up the left hand side or ticket the lorry driver? :roll:
  • ketsbaia
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    Rather annoyingly, City of London Police's Chief Inspector Matt Burgess stopped short of condemning people who stop in ASLs in his quote.

    I shan't hold my breath in anticipation of a spate of tickets being handed out to motorists or motorbikes transgressing that particular rule.
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  • spen666
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    Porgy wrote:
    ....

    I think the original event may have occurred on the 6th May too.

    That was sneaky of the Allies, to invade a month before the Germans knew about it
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  • lost_in_thought
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    thistle (MBNW) wrote:
    Cycling Weekly are reporting on something similar now:

    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/lat ... rning.html

    Sounds great!

    Does this mean they'll be enforcing the ASLs? I thought they didn't do that?
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  • Aidy
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    ketsbaia wrote:
    Rather annoyingly, City of London Police's Chief Inspector Matt Burgess stopped short of condemning people who stop in ASLs in his quote.

    I shan't hold my breath in anticipation of a spate of tickets being handed out to motorists or motorbikes transgressing that particular rule.

    It's the two-facedness of fining cyclists for running red lights, and turning a blind eye to motorists encroaching the ASL that bugs me.
  • jonny_trousers
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    Aidy wrote:

    It's the two-facedness of fining cyclists for running red lights, and turning a blind eye to motorists encroaching the ASL that bugs me.

    Call me a cynic, but I can't help thinking the primary motivation is revenue.
  • Headhuunter
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    Aidy wrote:
    ketsbaia wrote:
    Rather annoyingly, City of London Police's Chief Inspector Matt Burgess stopped short of condemning people who stop in ASLs in his quote.

    I shan't hold my breath in anticipation of a spate of tickets being handed out to motorists or motorbikes transgressing that particular rule.

    It's the two-facedness of fining cyclists for running red lights, and turning a blind eye to motorists encroaching the ASL that bugs me.

    Exactly. AS I have posted on here before, I received an email response from the City Police essentially saying that they think it's unfair that motorists have to pay a £60 fine for breaching an ASL but cyclists only pay £30, so essentially they do not enforce ASLs and it's very obvious.
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  • Porgy
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    edited June 2010
    spen666 wrote:
    Porgy wrote:
    ....

    I think the original event may have occurred on the 6th June too.

    That was sneaky of the Allies, to invade a month before the Germans knew about it

    wtf are you talking about?

    EDIT - OK typo spotted and corrected
  • Headhuunter
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    Jonny_Trousers wrote:
    Aidy wrote:

    It's the two-facedness of fining cyclists for running red lights, and turning a blind eye to motorists encroaching the ASL that bugs me.

    Call me a cynic, but I can't help thinking the primary motivation is revenue.

    However they would get more revenue from stopping motorists in ASLs, £60 vs £30 fine, however it's easier to stop cyclists. Stopping motorists holds up traffic and takes more effort than 1 officer standing by the side of teh road flagging down cyclists. We make a soft target.
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  • Aidy
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    Headhuunter wrote:
    However they would get more revenue from stopping motorists in ASLs, £60 vs £30 fine, however it's easier to stop cyclists. Stopping motorists holds up traffic and takes more effort than 1 officer standing by the side of teh road flagging down cyclists. We make a soft target.

    Hypothetically, what would happen if you didn't stop?
  • Porgy
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    Headhuunter wrote:
    Jonny_Trousers wrote:
    Aidy wrote:

    It's the two-facedness of fining cyclists for running red lights, and turning a blind eye to motorists encroaching the ASL that bugs me.

    Call me a cynic, but I can't help thinking the primary motivation is revenue.

    However they would get more revenue from stopping motorists in ASLs, £60 vs £30 fine, however it's easier to stop cyclists. Stopping motorists holds up traffic and takes more effort than 1 officer standing by the side of teh road flagging down cyclists. We make a soft target.

    sad but true
  • Porgy
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    Aidy wrote:
    Headhuunter wrote:
    However they would get more revenue from stopping motorists in ASLs, £60 vs £30 fine, however it's easier to stop cyclists. Stopping motorists holds up traffic and takes more effort than 1 officer standing by the side of teh road flagging down cyclists. We make a soft target.

    Hypothetically, what would happen if you didn't stop?

    They chase you - I found that out a few years ago - luckily I was very fast and knew a sneaky short cut.

    I genuinely went through the light becasue I was daydreaming; and when I got beeped I gave the driver the finger - which - you guessed it - was a po lice car.

    So I couldn;t stop after that - mind you I was younger then - only 38. I wouldn;t do that now. :D
  • jonginge
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    Aidy wrote:
    Headhuunter wrote:
    However they would get more revenue from stopping motorists in ASLs, £60 vs £30 fine, however it's easier to stop cyclists. Stopping motorists holds up traffic and takes more effort than 1 officer standing by the side of teh road flagging down cyclists. We make a soft target.

    Hypothetically, what would happen if you didn't stop?
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  • jonny_trousers
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    Headhuunter wrote:
    Jonny_Trousers wrote:
    Aidy wrote:

    It's the two-facedness of fining cyclists for running red lights, and turning a blind eye to motorists encroaching the ASL that bugs me.

    Call me a cynic, but I can't help thinking the primary motivation is revenue.

    However they would get more revenue from stopping motorists in ASLs, £60 vs £30 fine, however it's easier to stop cyclists. Stopping motorists holds up traffic and takes more effort than 1 officer standing by the side of teh road flagging down cyclists. We make a soft target.

    Exactly.

    That said, I am not convinced that all ASLs were terribly well thought out when put in. I can think of a junction near me where it is literally impossible not to find yourself in an ASL having turned right into the road without doing some kind of three-point-turn.

    I'm not a huge fan of this automatic fine culture we have found ourselves in.
  • Butterd2
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    Aidy wrote:
    Headhuunter wrote:
    However they would get more revenue from stopping motorists in ASLs, £60 vs £30 fine, however it's easier to stop cyclists. Stopping motorists holds up traffic and takes more effort than 1 officer standing by the side of teh road flagging down cyclists. We make a soft target.

    Hypothetically, what would happen if you didn't stop?

    Purely hypothetically you understand but allegedly when the PCO's in Greenwich Park ask you to stop and you just ride off they shout "Oi!" once then forget about you and move onto the next mug who is willing to stop and be fined £30 for a minor transgression.
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  • Butterd2
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    Headhuunter wrote:
    And if the 20m stretch is where I think it is, why not just create a cycle lane on it? It's wide enough and it would save taxpayers money and police time.

    It's the bit that links to the side gate on Maze Hill.

    It's the entrance where at great expense the council ripped out the old barrier and installed a gate to make sure cyclists could not ride through without getting off.
    However it soon became clear that women with prams could no longer get through the gate either and the residents opposite complained about the noise from the gate clanking all day so the council came back in again took it all out and went back to what they had previously (plus some nice gravel).

    I would like to know if Greenwich Council spend more money on Pro or Anti cycling measures?
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  • rich_e
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    I remember around the end of last summer they were doing road works that closed the entire street on Amell Road, along the cycle route which is just off of Pentoville Road.

    Obviously everyone on cycles dismounted on the narrow pavement to get past them and continue on the cycle lane. Every morning they had a Community Support Officer asking people to get off and walk if they were riding. Especially as there is a cafe with people sat outside near the corner.

    If I ever get on the pavement, I always push or scoot. What annoys me most is that when people ride on pavements is that if you are going to do it, you need to give way. So many kids and older people don't do so. I nearly had a guy ride into me last week when I was walking along a road with no room to either side of me, and he still decided he was going to try and get through without stopping. Idiot.

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