Ellsworth Moment, enduro build p3

bluechair84

Elllsworth Moment in it's old guise as has been seen before; prior to some updates... This is sort of XC mode; 2.3 tyres, 80mm stem, Push tuned RP3.





Updates include a DHX5 Ti sprung, Avid Ultimates with a 203mm rotor (second hand from someone on here), Spank 50mm stem, Conti rubber queen 2.4. It's bloody gorgeous to ride now! This is sort of AM mode...





Think the forks look a bit slender on her.

You'll mostly find me around Huddersfield / Wharnecliffe / Lee Quarry. And this summer I'll be taking the bus (see sig) to Morzine with the Moment. Can't bloody wait!

Beardface

Looks lovely, I really like the Ellsworths, yours is nice and stealthy

What make and travel are the pace forks? As you say they're a bit slender, if you do decide to change, let me know, could be interested mate

bluechair84

they're pace fighter rc41 limited editions. God knows what difference the LE makes. I'd swap for a light 150mm fork with a thru axle. Something like a 2010 rev would be ideal!

bluechair84

RIP Pace Fighters!!

Having taken the Moment to the DH circuit at Fort William, I may have exceeded their design limitations... It had been peeing it down that morning and a slight ungraceful stumble had me ditch my gloved-hands into the peat. This resulted in a nice residue of super greasy slime on my palms. Third run down, just hitting the muddy section of the course I took the drop off and the hands slid clean off the bars on landing, throwing me face first ahead of the bike. I managed a bit of grace this time and forward-rolled out of it, launching the bike with my feet waaaaaay off the circuit into a tree. RIP 200mm rotor, nice scar on the Ultimate caliper, and cracked IS mounts on the Paces.



Never fear, I've had a wicked idea. Don't ask me how I know this will work, I'm a man. Men know these things intimately. I've ordered some 'cold weld' aradlite, melds metals together as if they were... butter... withstands temperatures as hot as your censored after a vindallo, I know this is a good idea.

However - I won't be taking them back to Fort Bill so some 36's are on their way too. Wheel is already in the garage waiting.

-liam-

Are you really REALLY sure that is a good idea ?

Splottboy

Erm...I'd rather not be in front of you on a trail.

All of my 12st 10lbs of Pure Welsh Beef wouldn't be much to slow you doen if the araldite... fails.

bluechair84

I'm ready to experiment before writing them off - I've looked for other written off fighters where I may be able to use the lower legs. If it doesn't work, I've a knackered pair of forks. Possibly a broken arm to boot... but... well I've never broken a bone so I don't know what I'm missing out on :?

bluechair84

This is the stuff that's gonna get me my Pace's back... for err.. toe path work.

bluechair84

the experiment begins...
pre application of goo


post application of goo


File the remaining chiunks down once it's set.

Biggus86

haha, bluechair... i'd probably do the same, though definatly put them on a lighter use... communte bike

bluechair84

I'm actually optimistic about this. I mean, how much force goes into the mounts? The directional force of the rotor on the caliper presses the mounts into the dropout. There's no shear force involved... unless I front flip the bike off the edge of the planet again I just don't think it'll badger up a second time.

jay12

i predict that it will break soon. the force going into the mounts is too much for some weld glue to hold them for a decent amount of time on mtb trails

bluechair84

jay12 wrote:

i predict that it will break soon. the force going into the mounts is too much for some weld glue to hold them for a decent amount of time on mtb trails

Which force?

St George

i predict that it will break soon

+1

and carry the caliper round with the disc and snap the brake hose as well as locking frontwheel, :twisted:

Should be good..............

Cheers

jay12

bluechair84 wrote:

jay12 wrote:

i predict that it will break soon. the force going into the mounts is too much for some weld glue to hold them for a decent amount of time on mtb trails

Which force?

basically wen your braking a lot of pressure/force goes into the callpiper and effectevily mounts

salsarider79

My dad's used that stuff to fix his kart racing engine together, when the cylinder head broke. He also used it to fix the exhaust on his kart. It all stayed together and he won the karting championship in Cyprus that year (That was back in 1976/77)

I'd trust that glue. Trust me when I say that when it sets, it like it's been welded....not good when it's your fingers that are stuck together... :oops:

bluechair84

jay12 wrote:

bluechair84 wrote:

jay12 wrote:

i predict that it will break soon. the force going into the mounts is too much for some weld glue to hold them for a decent amount of time on mtb trails

Which force?

basically wen your braking a lot of pressure/force goes into the callpiper and effectevily mounts

But the force preses the mounts into the dropouts, there are no shear forces involved. I'd suggest that the force associated is considerably less than you think and in a direction that holds the system together, not pulls it apart.

salsarider79 wrote:

Trust me when I say that when it sets, it like it's been welded....not good when it's your fingers that are stuck together...

But better than welding your fingers together right?[/quote]

bluechair84

Now with added meat, there's some more appropriate forks slotted in.



Yes the err.... garage.... Don't look at that. look at the bike.

jairaj

how did you get on with fixing the Pace forks? did the JB weld stuff work?

bluechair84

Seems to have held very well. Since fitting the Fox36s though, I haven't tested them. I have an XC event next weekend for which I will revertback to the Paces and the Fox air can on the rear - just to shave a bit of weight.

I'll report back in a couple of weeks with the xrays 8)

warpcow

I know a guy whose Marz. 888 thru-axle dropout sheared off in a crash a couple of years ago. Bit of JB Weld and a few hours later and it's still going today. I admit I'd be terrified of the thing though. I'd rather lose a brake than a whole wheel.

bluechair84

@rse t1ts munkey nuts rhubarb custard.
Spent the last hour moving the Paces over to test it coming down the drive and for it to FAIL!
Urgh... Back to the 36s for the race then.

MountainMonster

Hmm, surprise it failed, huh?

LOL

stanescoo

so what exactly did go wrong?

stardude

have you thought about getting them welded back on by a local engineering company?

TIG welding is very delicate, and if they took their time, they could get away without damaging the carbon with excess heat. weld a little bit, cool it, weld a bit, cool it.

it may not look amazing but it will hold

bluechair84

holy topic resurrection batman!

Yeah I was surprised it didn't work! Actually, I was surprised at how spectacularly it didn't work. Gently cooling off down the drive and it came away like fooking blu-tac!

They're still in the shed. I was thinking of making champagne flutes out of the carbon lowers. I need a Top Gear inspired way to give them a new lease of life (Porsche lounge furniture).

bluechair84

There's been a few updates to the bike now. The basic spec is:

Ellsworth Moment, Fox DHX5 Ti
Fox 36 Van RC2
Superstar pedals, grips, blue outers, bottom bracket
Stans Flow on SuperStar Evo hubs (front + 20mm cups = 920g , rear + 10mm cups = 1040g with tape, no axles or cassette)
E13 bash with double rings
Avid Ultimate / 200mm + 180mm
SLX shifters and mechs
XT cranks



edit -- this pic has come out terribly! I'll try get a better one taken next week.

kdawg74

have you thought about getting some pace v brake mounts to be able to use the fighters

bluechair84

sold on as parts, though just after I'd sold them someone PMed me to say he knew of an ex-pace employee who could replace the dropouts... so a bit gutted on that front.

bluechair84

Some new ones, just missing the new seatpost; Pro Koryak

bluechair84

As the Torque now fulfils DH duties, the Moment has returned to trail status and has been on a diet. Gone are the 36s, the coil spring and the wheels...







The Moment now sports:
150mm Revelation SLs,
Stans Crest on ProII with LUST Highroller 2.3s and an RP23.
Avid Ultimates are now running on 180mm and 160mm discs.
XT chainset (2x9)
SLX mechs and shifters
Superstar pedals and grips
Pro Koryak post with Charge Spoon titanium
some dodgy FSA bars and EA30 stem
Works Angled headset = 1 degree slacker.

Weight = 31.9lbs

Once I've ridden it a few times I'll consider it's worth against the old Chris King that came out when it transformed to undertake DH duties with the 36s.