Heskey&Green
Airwave
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Simple really Heskey's world class at keeping the ball out of the net&green's a world class plonker,but he knows where the goal is(might not be the right one though).Just switch them.Heskey in goal&Green to partner Rooney up front..... 
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hate to rain on the Heskey ridicule bandwagon but he was arguably our best player tonight.0
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I was only having a bit of fun.For what he was on the pitch for he Heskey did a good job,better than Crouch.But Rooney started getting deeper&deeper in stead of playing around the box as he has for Unitied this season.He should be the #1striker&our most dangerous player not dropping back to midfield to get the ball.While Heskey plays this is what Rooney will keep doing.Having said all that i thought we played ok in the 2nd half.A draw is'nt a bad start looked what happened in"66.QF or semis may be if we improve&cut out the silly mistakes.Come on England lets be aving you!TT photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/steverob/0
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Airwave wrote:I was only having a bit of fun.For what he was on the pitch for he Heskey did a good job,better than Crouch.But Rooney started getting deeper&deeper in stead of playing around the box as he has for Unitied this season.He should be the #1striker&our most dangerous player not dropping back to midfield to get the ball.While Heskey plays this is what Rooney will keep doing.Having said all that i thought we played ok in the 2nd half.A draw is'nt a bad start looked what happened in"66.QF or semis may be if we improve&cut out the silly mistakes.Come on England lets be aving you!
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I think Heskey had a classic Heskey game. His link up play was good and I get the point about him being there to bring others in to the game. But this seems to be at the expense of making Rooney play deeper and deeper - he was almost sweeping in front of the back 4 towards the end.
I think we have to think of Heskey as simply not there as a striker but as a link-up player. This was illustrated for me by the moment that he was put through on a one-on-one on Howard; he ran towards goal with no semblance of confidence, and was 100% on target (but only if "target" means right in the middle of the goalie - there's no way Howard could have got out of the way of Heskey's pass).
But, I don't think we did that bad. Somehow we have to build play faster; by the time the ball came into the box, the Yanks were all back and organised. I'd like to see our two flying full backs doing a bit more flying on the overlap.
Still, onwards, upwards and not giving up.0 -
That's one spill the US won't hate us for! :shock:http://www.youtube.com/user/Eurobunneh - My Youtube channel.0
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Ok, i'm not a football fan so can someone explain why so many people are blaming the ball for green's performance.....how different can a ball be? (I may have just opened the floodgates there!)
From a non football knowing view I would have said Green was terible last night, any cricketer would know his long barrier defense and I would have thought that a goal keeper might have applied this to his game!
And as for the "great save" he did later on..... as far as I can tell he dived, only just connected with the ball, knoced it towards the goal and was lucky that it hit the post and didn't go in. I'm sure many of you will now tell me that in football it's a good save and he was just unlucky, but from an outsiders point of view......he was s**t0 -
Ollieda wrote:Ok, i'm not a football fan so can someone explain why so many people are blaming the ball for green's performance.....how different can a ball be? (I may have just opened the floodgates there!)
If anyone's blaming the ball on Green's mistake they're dillusional.
You won't see a bigger keeping gaffe this tournament.0 -
They were talking about it on the tv and said as it's a new design of ball it is very hard to control and apparently lots of goalkeepers and defenders had complained beforehand. They then went onto say that the wet grass made the ball extra slippery?!?!?!?
I would have thought that leather ball + wet grass always made the ball slippery....something a goalkeeper who plays in England should be quite used to!0 -
Ollieda wrote:They were talking about it on the tv and said as it's a new design of ball it is very hard to control and apparently lots of goalkeepers and defenders had complained beforehand. They then went onto say that the wet grass made the ball extra slippery?!?!?!?
I would have thought that leather ball + wet grass always made the ball slippery....something a goalkeeper who plays in England should be quite used to!
As far as I was aware, the issue was about the ball's flight, which is a little more unpredictable in the air than other balls (it's a bit more like a beachball).
They're making pretty lame excuses.
The ball pretty much rolled into his hands with a couple bounces.0 -
In fairness, Green was big enough to come out and be interviewed last night and didn't blame the ball, just himself. He obviously got his angle wrong. I've seen him enough to know he is a good keeper and will bounce back. And before anyone asks, yes I am a West Ham fan, but if I thought he was total sh1te I'd say so. Now, Mathew Upson on the other hand............"There's a shortage of perfect breasts in this world, t'would be a pity to damage yours."0
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Aggieboy wrote:In fairness, Green was big enough to come out and be interviewed last night and didn't blame the ball, just himself. He obviously got his angle wrong. I've seen him enough to know he is a good keeper and will bounce back. And before anyone asks, yes I am a West Ham fan, but if I thought he was total sh1te I'd say so. Now, Mathew Upson on the other hand............
You'd hope he wouldn't blame the ball. Else he'd be even more dillusional than the ITV crew, who for some bizzare reason seemed to think a 1-1 draw with the US, who's star cast includes (not even!) the best from Hull and Watford, was a good performance.
And what's the obsession with Hesky winning the ball in the air all the time? It still ricochets randomly away from him.0 -
Rick is right. That was a speculative crack at goal by Dempsey, more in hope than expectation. It's not the ball. At least Green had the nous to put his hand up and acknowledge his mistake.
As for Heskey, well we need him, as frightening as that sounds. He was provider for our only goal after all. Sure, so he can't hit a barn door at 5 paces, but England are simply a better outfit with him in it. The stats don't lie on this occasion...
I was thinking though, imagine the same game, but without Tim Howard.
Maybe 4-1 to England? I think so. Has anyone seen a better goalkeeping performance in recent years? Gianluigi Buffon is going to have to do something spectacular if he's going to take the shine off Howard this World Cup.
What p*ssed me off were the commentators still somehow managing to talk up England. I mean, PLEASE....it's the USA. They have their basketball, "football" and baseball, for which they're undisputedly the best. But we own the footy, right? Well it's embarrassing that we can only DRAW with them. Some perspective. Jeez.
No WAY are we getting past the QF's. Anyone that thinks so is just very patriotic or optimistic IMO....
Can anyone stop Argentina? That's the real question. Having the scorer of both goals of the Champions League Final warming your bench is some statement. They have an embarrassment of talent this time, few injuries and ironically, the only person that stands in the way of Argentina and Jules Rimet is Signor Bonkers Short-ar*e Coke-head himself.0 -
itchieritchie wrote:Rick is right. That was a speculative crack at goal by Dempsey, more in hope than expectation. It's not the ball. At least Green had the nous to put his hand up and acknowledge his mistake.
As for Heskey, well we need him, as frightening as that sounds. He was provider for our only goal after all. Sure, so he can't hit a barn door at 5 paces, but England are simply a better outfit with him in it. The stats don't lie on this occasion...
I was thinking though, imagine the same game, but without Tim Howard.
Maybe 4-1 to England? I think so. Has anyone seen a better goalkeeping performance in recent years? Gianluigi Buffon is going to have to do something spectacular if he's going to take the shine off Howard this World Cup.
What p*ssed me off were the commentators still somehow managing to talk up England. I mean, PLEASE....it's the USA. They have their basketball, "football" and baseball, for which they're undisputedly the best. But we own the footy, right? Well it's embarrassing that we can only DRAW with them. Some perspective. Jeez.
No WAY are we getting past the QF's. Anyone that thinks so is just very patriotic or optimistic IMO....
Can anyone stop Argentina? That's the real question. Having the scorer of both goals of the Champions League Final warming your bench is some statement. They have an embarrassment of talent this time, few injuries and ironically, the only person that stands in the way of Argentina and Jules Rimet is Signor Bonkers Short-ar*e Coke-head himself.
With Guiterez at right back, anyone can beat the Argentinians... Can't say their defence was remotely convincing yesterday.
If England need Hesky, then they're in a bad shape. He wouldn't get into the team of any of the favourites.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Aggieboy wrote:In fairness, Green was big enough to come out and be interviewed last night and didn't blame the ball, just himself. He obviously got his angle wrong. I've seen him enough to know he is a good keeper and will bounce back. And before anyone asks, yes I am a West Ham fan, but if I thought he was total sh1te I'd say so. Now, Mathew Upson on the other hand............
You'd hope he wouldn't blame the ball. Else he'd be even more dillusional than the ITV crew, who for some bizzare reason seemed to think a 1-1 draw with the US, who's star cast includes (not even!) the best from Hull and Watford, was a good performance.
And what's the obsession with Hesky winning the ball in the air all the time? It still ricochets randomly away from him.
I agree. I'm not trying to cover up an awful mistake, but surely we should have beaten them anyway? There was still over half the game to go, after all. In my humble opinion, we are too one dimensional and don't have enough individuals with skill, such as Joe Cole, who can change the game and take people on."There's a shortage of perfect breasts in this world, t'would be a pity to damage yours."0 -
Why do English keepers go down on one knee to gather a low ball? I played in goal at school many decades ago and that's the advice I was given, but it always seemed stupid to me and you were stuffed if you didn't read the bounce right.
I can't remember seeing foriegn keepers do that.0 -
Rick, the Argies defence isn't the best, true. But their attack is so intimidating that I reckon they'll always go in there with a psychological advantage.
Nigeria isn't the most organised outfit in the world, but it was quite telling to see how rattled they were early on and were only really allowed into the game in the latter stages of the second half, by which time it was all over.
Only the stronger teams will be able to overturn those mind games, and by then it'll be the QF's already.
As for Heskey, well yes, that's what I'm alluding to. England are once more relying on players that just aren't world class.
Did you see Capello after we scored? He was still gesticulating angrily about something. That man has his head screwed on right. He def knows our weaknesses and isn't getting carried away like the coaches of yore. It's a relief to have him on our side.0 -
Aggieboy wrote:
I agree. I'm not trying to cover up an awful mistake, but surely we should have beaten them anyway? There was still over half the game to go, after all. In my humble opinion, we are too one dimensional and don't have enough individuals with skill, such as Joe Cole, who can change the game and take people on.
Cole lacks pace.
England do not have the types of players to play like, say, the Dutch (or indeed Arsenal for a club example) who spend half an hour building up to an inevitably intricate but off target chance, so instead need to rely on good turns of speed to whip that ball into the box quickly, or to hit them on the break (brake?).
A little more like Man Utd ideally...
Then again, I spend a lot of time watching Utd so i would say that...0 -
itchieritchie wrote:Rick, the Argies defence isn't the best, true. But their attack is so intimidating that I reckon they'll always go in there with a psychological advantage.
Nigeria isn't the most organised outfit in the world, but it was quite telling to see how rattled they were early on and were only really allowed into the game in the latter stages of the second half, by which time it was all over.
Only the stronger teams will be able to overturn those mind games, and by then it'll be the QF's already.
As for Heskey, well yes, that's what I'm alluding to. England are once more relying on players that just aren't world class.
Did you see Capello after we scored? He was still gesticulating angrily about something. That man has his head screwed on right. He def knows our weaknesses and isn't getting carried away like the coaches of yore. It's a relief to have him on our side.
Ja, I'm not convinced by Argentina. You wonder what happens when they get pinned back for a good 10 minutes.
If they ever meet Brazil, I can see Brazil bossing them off the pitch. They're stronger, and better organised. Organisation counts in these tournaments. Ask the sodding Germans...0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Ollieda wrote:Ok, i'm not a football fan so can someone explain why so many people are blaming the ball for green's performance.....how different can a ball be? (I may have just opened the floodgates there!)
If anyone's blaming the ball on Green's mistake they're dillusional.
You won't see a bigger keeping gaffe this tournament.
todays algerian one was a bit micey too. green was badly positioned and didn't have is hands behind the ball, no question it was his error 100%
but looking at a lot of the passess and dead ball kicks, that ball is a balloon flying way more erratically and curving differently to any other one I've seen. I think come the 2nd round, it'll have been got used to, at least by the top notch players, but theres going to be some odd moments in the groups0
