Pump Question and mounting.

Veronica Bottoms

I currently have one of these classic zefal pumps for my mtb bike with a schrader connection :


Now that I'm purchasing a road bike, I was going to keep on using the same pump, but obviously with a presta connection. I was looking around the net and came across some pumps which boast that they can pump tyres to a high pressure. This current pump does the job on mtb tyres, will it now be redundant for road tyres? It may be a silly question but I'm just wondering now wether I need to buy a dedicated road pump i.e. a high pressure pump?

My second question is I want to mount it to my bike. Do you guys use special mounts or are zip ties good enough for the job and carry spares if it needs to be reattached?

I might end up just buying a mini pump if that makes things easier but I'm not bothered about weight as the zefal is only grams heavier than these mini pumps and I'm not prepared to spend an arm and a leg on a carbon pump.

I must also add I've got two bottle cages so does that limit my room for a mount?

Thank you in advance.

paul64

High pressure Mini pump with fixing underneath the bottle cage is a good investment although not essential as a get you home. Then there's the whole other world of CO2 inflators that some riders prefer.

For me personally the most important aspect is a short piece of hose as part of the design. I have cursed pumps when they clamp directly onto the valve on those occasions when your sideways force on the valve rips it and leaves you stranded. For road pressures, you sometimes have to pump a fair bit.



I like the Lezyne as you can see here (it has the rather grand name of Micro Floor Drive HPG and I bought it from Epic along with the bike last year, there are a few retailers online selling it). Solidly built, has hose in the design, screws onto the valve, has a pressure gauge which takes no space, also a little foot tab abd the top twists so it becomes a mini foot pump so you can use downward force. It is also light. This sort of design is very neat and Topeak do a similar one which is on my other road bike minus the gauge IIRC.

Like you, I have humble pumps on the family bikes and MTB otherwise.

keef66

You won't get up to the pressures needed using an MTB pump.

I have the Topeak Road Morph with a gauge and it's brilliant. Still haven't felt the need to buy a track pump.

If you want it bolted to the frame, the frame mount takes the place of, rather than sitting beneath, a bottle cage though. If you need both bottle cages you can attach the mount under the top tube with the cable ties supplied.

Or you could ask Topeak if they do an alternative mount? (I bought mine 2 yrs ago)

Veronica Bottoms

paul64 wrote:

High pressure Mini pump with fixing underneath the bottle cage is a good investment although not essential as a get you home. Then there's the whole other world of CO2 inflators that some riders prefer.

For me personally the most important aspect is a short piece of hose as part of the design. I have cursed pumps when they clamp directly onto the valve on those occasions when your sideways force on the valve rips it and leaves you stranded. For road pressures, you sometimes have to pump a fair bit.



I like the Lezyne as you can see here (it has the rather grand name of Micro Floor Drive HPG and I bought it from Epic along with the bike last year, there are a few retailers online selling it). Solidly built, has hose in the design, screws onto the valve, has a pressure gauge which takes no space, also a little foot tab abd the top twists so it becomes a mini foot pump so you can use downward force. It is also light. This sort of design is very neat and Topeak do a similar one which is on my other road bike minus the gauge IIRC.

Like you, I have humble pumps on the family bikes and MTB otherwise.

keef66 wrote:

You won't get up to the pressures needed using an MTB pump.

I have the Topeak Road Morph with a gauge and it's brilliant. Still haven't felt the need to buy a track pump.

If you want it bolted to the frame, the frame mount takes the place of, rather than sitting beneath, a bottle cage though. If you need both bottle cages you can attach the mount under the top tube with the cable ties supplied.

Or you could ask Topeak if they do an alternative mount? (I bought mine 2 yrs ago)

Okay thanks for the replies. So basically I'm going to have to invest in a high pressure pump, preferably with a gauge.

I only want to purchase one pump which can be used on the go and at home, so will a mini pump be efficient for that?

I don't want to go down the CO2 route. It may be efficient but it's extra costs I don't need. I don't mind pumping for a fair bit as long as it does the required job i.e. pump the tyres to the correct pressure.

@paul64 I agree a short hose would be preferable.

In regards to mounting it looks like I either place it below the cage or under the top tube with ties. Either way is fine as long as it's secure.

Thanks for the advice

skyd0g

I use a Lezyne Pressure Drive Mini (medium) - has a bottle cage mount, and hose adapter for both Presta and Schraeder and can pump road tyres to a sufficient pressure to get you home. Can't fault it.
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Lezyne_Pressure_Drive_Mini_Pump_Medium/5360034753/

Bunneh

I have a Pocket Rocket, no, really! Sadly it's only small but pumps very well - used it in anger a few times. I like innuendo!

http://www.cyclestore.co.uk/productDeta ... ctID=23345

sungod

Veronica Bottoms wrote:

paul64 wrote:

High pressure Mini pump with fixing underneath the bottle cage is a good investment although not essential as a get you home. Then there's the whole other world of CO2 inflators that some riders prefer.

For me personally the most important aspect is a short piece of hose as part of the design. I have cursed pumps when they clamp directly onto the valve on those occasions when your sideways force on the valve rips it and leaves you stranded. For road pressures, you sometimes have to pump a fair bit.



I like the Lezyne as you can see here (it has the rather grand name of Micro Floor Drive HPG and I bought it from Epic along with the bike last year, there are a few retailers online selling it). Solidly built, has hose in the design, screws onto the valve, has a pressure gauge which takes no space, also a little foot tab abd the top twists so it becomes a mini foot pump so you can use downward force. It is also light. This sort of design is very neat and Topeak do a similar one which is on my other road bike minus the gauge IIRC.

Like you, I have humble pumps on the family bikes and MTB otherwise.

keef66 wrote:

You won't get up to the pressures needed using an MTB pump.

I have the Topeak Road Morph with a gauge and it's brilliant. Still haven't felt the need to buy a track pump.

If you want it bolted to the frame, the frame mount takes the place of, rather than sitting beneath, a bottle cage though. If you need both bottle cages you can attach the mount under the top tube with the cable ties supplied.

Or you could ask Topeak if they do an alternative mount? (I bought mine 2 yrs ago)

Okay thanks for the replies. So basically I'm going to have to invest in a high pressure pump, preferably with a gauge.

I only want to purchase one pump which can be used on the go and at home, so will a mini pump be efficient for that?

I don't want to go down the CO2 route. It may be efficient but it's extra costs I don't need. I don't mind pumping for a fair bit as long as it does the required job i.e. pump the tyres to the correct pressure.

@paul64 I agree a short hose would be preferable.

In regards to mounting it looks like I either place it below the cage or under the top tube with ties. Either way is fine as long as it's secure.

Thanks for the advice

i've got the lezyne shown above, the design makes it easy to reach 110psi and with the hose+gauge it's almost the perfect minipump imho

i put mine in a jersey pocket, it's so light it isn't noticeable

Veronica Bottoms

That Lezyne does seem to be a decent all rounder. I will most probably go for that or the Topeack mentioned earlier in the thread.

I also found a great deal on a track pump which will be useful for home use.

Thanks guys for all your help. It's a good job I started this thread as I was about to purchase a presta hose off ebay for £2 for my zefal, thinking that would be sufficient for all my needs.

crankycrank

Veronica Bottoms wrote:

That Lezyne does seem to be a decent all rounder. I will most probably go for that or the Topeack mentioned earlier in the thread.

I also found a great deal on a track pump which will be useful for home use.

Thanks guys for all your help. It's a good job I started this thread as I was about to purchase a presta hose off ebay for £2 for my zefal, thinking that would be sufficient for all my needs.

You have made a very wise decision. Your future in cycling looks very promising indeed.

hopper1

I can't add anything further.
But, couldn't resist opening a thread based around mounting and pumping!....


Yeah! Yeah! I know.... I'm going..... :oops:

CarleyB

Ive just bought the lezyne off the back of this thread ... lets hope its up to the job

rossyl

hi,

whereabout did you get the pump from and how much...please!

thanks.

CarleyB

I got it from tredz

http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Lezyne-Micro-Fl ... _26275.htm

ian_s

It looks from the pic as if it is possible to attach both the pump and the bottle holder - is that correct?

rick_chasey

ian_s wrote:

It looks from the pic as if it is possible to attach both the pump and the bottle holder - is that correct?

Yes.

woody-som

topeak pocket rocket on one bike, and the innovations second wind on the expensive bike, which is a nice pump with combined CO2.

CarleyB

pump arrived this morning. Very chuffed with it.

Anonymous

paul64 wrote:

High pressure Mini pump with fixing underneath the bottle cage is a good investment although not essential as a get you home. Then there's the whole other world of CO2 inflators that some riders prefer.

For me personally the most important aspect is a short piece of hose as part of the design. I have cursed pumps when they clamp directly onto the valve on those occasions when your sideways force on the valve rips it and leaves you stranded. For road pressures, you sometimes have to pump a fair bit.



I like the Lezyne as you can see here (it has the rather grand name of Micro Floor Drive HPG and I bought it from Epic along with the bike last year, there are a few retailers online selling it). Solidly built, has hose in the design, screws onto the valve, has a pressure gauge which takes no space, also a little foot tab abd the top twists so it becomes a mini foot pump so you can use downward force. It is also light. This sort of design is very neat and Topeak do a similar one which is on my other road bike minus the gauge IIRC.

Like you, I have humble pumps on the family bikes and MTB otherwise.

Beautiful bike, stunning design, gorgeous lines, wind tunnel tested to reduce drag..........

Stick a pump on the side of the frame and ruin the aesthetics and balance of Italian craftmanship.

Stick the pump in your back pocket, I have a topeak pocket rocket, does brilliantly and takes up hardly room and weighs very little.

crankycrank

dmclite wrote:

Beautiful bike, stunning design, gorgeous lines, wind tunnel tested to reduce drag..........
Stick a pump on the side of the frame and ruin the aesthetics and balance of Italian craftmanship.
Stick the pump in your back pocket, I have a topeak pocket rocket, does brilliantly and takes up hardly room and weighs very little.

Maybe Paul64 selected everything for function rather than a fashion show. An odd concept I know.

paul64

Crikey, I only posted to make a suggestion and take the trouble to add a helpful picture and now I'm in trouble for putting a pump on this bike, lots of laughs!

Does a pump on the frame really make that much difference? If it does I will consider changing it as I would not knowingly make my life harder. Let's put my riding into context first.

I'm 46, 100kg, had knee surgery last year and I am regularly overtaken by fit youngsters both male and female. I can't risk running or playing tennis which I have always loved. I consciously avoid anything with twisting motion to the knee. I can't tell you what it feels like when you think that's it, you're off the bike. I mean cycling and swimming are my salvation. I am just glad to be on the bike and to feel gradual improvement. I rode a climb last night at a heart ride of 140bpm where it was 165bpm last year. Some days I feel I can put more power through my legs than on others due to the knee.

So why do I have a "Beautiful bike, stunning design, gorgeous lines, wind tunnel tested to reduce drag"?

Well, I still have my classic steel Roberts which fared me well for 15 years. However, I wanted more comfort, a lighter back end to the bike, more responsiveness and more absorption of our horrible British surfaces. The Surrey hills have horrible sapping tarmac. I checked out a lot of bikes at different stores and when down to a shortlist spent an entire day out in the sticks at Epic in Worcestershire. A Bianchi 928 C2C had the best ride and a Look 566 had the lightest touch but I kept coming back to the balance of this bike. The bike is a joy and a luxury and, yes, the bike is far better than I am but clearly I did not buy it for competing.

Incidentally, if the pump should go then what about the frog lights, the mudguards when its wet, the computer on the stem, 25mmm and not 23mm tyres, all must create drag? Somewhere along the line you have to decide what sort of rider you are and equip accordingly. I've already said why I like this particular pump but faster and higher mileage riders than me may know better.

Anonymous

crankycrank wrote:

dmclite wrote:

Beautiful bike, stunning design, gorgeous lines, wind tunnel tested to reduce drag..........
Stick a pump on the side of the frame and ruin the aesthetics and balance of Italian craftmanship.
Stick the pump in your back pocket, I have a topeak pocket rocket, does brilliantly and takes up hardly room and weighs very little.

Maybe Paul64 selected everything for function rather than a fashion show. An odd concept I know.

An odd concept, but aesthetics are imortant, are they not ? You can't tell me that you choose your purchases for absolute function ? I choose for both, obviously a bike is aesthetically pleasing as well as functional, the more you spend, then the more efficient or stylish it may be. I just don't understand spending ££££'s on a well crafted bike to then hang pumps etc on the framework. I am being snobby and difficult, but it is what I would do, just questioning others reasons. 8)

paul64

So I wasted my time replying and asking further questions?

Anonymous

paul64 wrote:

So I wasted my time replying and asking further questions?

Sorry, you did not imply that you didn't want a reply, my balls are hairy, not fcuking crystal

rolf_f

paul64 wrote:

Incidentally, if the pump should go then what about the frog lights, the mudguards when its wet, the computer on the stem, 25mmm and not 23mm tyres, all must create drag? Somewhere along the line you have to decide what sort of rider you are and equip accordingly. I've already said why I like this particular pump but faster and higher mileage riders than me may know better.

Actually, I sort of think the pump looks quite cool but crudcatchers are for MTBs........

Funny you go to Epic and end up with 25mm tyres - I did exactly the same (Look 585)! The tyres for the most part are probably reducing drag (at the contact point) so don't let anyone pick on you for that!

Leyzne Pressure drive for me - currently on the down tube but only until I get my Shutt Jerseys which I think have wider middle pockets with velcro so the pump will fit in nicely and safely.

paul64

dmclite wrote:

paul64 wrote:

So I wasted my time replying and asking further questions?

Sorry, you did not imply that you didn't want a reply, my balls are hairy, not fcuking crystal

Oh dear, how did this exchange head in that direction? :roll:

In the middle of my post I actually asked

Incidentally, if the pump should go then what about the frog lights, the mudguards when its wet, the computer on the stem, 25mmm and not 23mm tyres, all must create drag?

which was not intended to create a spat. I am genuinely interested to know if it's worth me lowering the resistance even at my age, low ability and weight bearing in mind the casual non-competitive riding. If it is I will pay attention to it, I haven't bothered before because I did not buy based on Italian craftsmanship, wind tunnel testing and cafe posing stakes. I know that might seem contrary but come on, I have already said I'm not 20 something, 12st and overtaking people. If only!

If you take this response in the way it is intended I do have another question. I have not found anything on the web about my bike being wind tunnel tested so is that really the case? Bear in mind it's the cheapest Viner made in Italy (tubes from Taiwan of course), is not one of the the custom fit bikes they do and was sold to me as their sportive model made for comfort, not for racing or triathlon.

Rolf, you are right of course and the crudcatchers were on the Viner through the winter and I am glad they were. It wasn't my intention to subject this bike to the grit and grime but my winter hack wasn't ready. Epic did not put me onto 25mm, I bought 23mm Vittoria Rubino Pro on the Easton wheels and it's only when I bought some cheap Bontrager Race winter wheels that I decided to try Conti 4 Season 25mm instead. I was amazed at how much more comfortable they were than 23mm but have decided to use up the 23mm Vittorias before worrying about it further. My sort of riding doesn't merit a different approach.

ian_s

Paul,
For what its worth I am a similar age, size and level of cyclist (as far as I can judge) to yourself. Saving a few grams or minor aerodynamic improvements are certainly not going to make me go any quicker or, more importantly, enjoy my riding.

I for one appreciated your post - it was practical, helpful to the OP and the picture provided a useful illustration (as well as what looks like a cracking bike).

Cheers,
Ian

Veronica Bottoms

ian_s wrote:

Paul,
I for one appreciated your post - it was practical, helpful to the OP and the picture provided a useful illustration (as well as what looks like a cracking bike).

+1

And now I'm soon to be a proud owner of the Lezyne. Also thanks to CarleyB for the link.

CarleyB

No worries Ive just attached mine to the seat tube

Anonymous

paul64 wrote:

dmclite wrote:

paul64 wrote:

So I wasted my time replying and asking further questions?

Sorry, you did not imply that you didn't want a reply, my balls are hairy, not fcuking crystal

Oh dear, how did this exchange head in that direction? :roll:

In the middle of my post I actually asked

Incidentally, if the pump should go then what about the frog lights, the mudguards when its wet, the computer on the stem, 25mmm and not 23mm tyres, all must create drag?

which was not intended to create a spat. I am genuinely interested to know if it's worth me lowering the resistance even at my age, low ability and weight bearing in mind the casual non-competitive riding. If it is I will pay attention to it, I haven't bothered before because I did not buy based on Italian craftsmanship, wind tunnel testing and cafe posing stakes. I know that might seem contrary but come on, I have already said I'm not 20 something, 12st and overtaking people. If only!

If you take this response in the way it is intended I do have another question. I have not found anything on the web about my bike being wind tunnel tested so is that really the case? Bear in mind it's the cheapest Viner made in Italy (tubes from Taiwan of course), is not one of the the custom fit bikes they do and was sold to me as their sportive model made for comfort, not for racing or triathlon.

Rolf, you are right of course and the crudcatchers were on the Viner through the winter and I am glad they were. It wasn't my intention to subject this bike to the grit and grime but my winter hack wasn't ready. Epic did not put me onto 25mm, I bought 23mm Vittoria Rubino Pro on the Easton wheels and it's only when I bought some cheap Bontrager Race winter wheels that I decided to try Conti 4 Season 25mm instead. I was amazed at how much more comfortable they were than 23mm but have decided to use up the 23mm Vittorias before worrying about it further. My sort of riding doesn't merit a different approach.

Apologies, for my last post, I re-read it and I was very short with you. I have now got down off my high horse, where I shouldn't have been in the first place and apologise. Where you put your pump is of no business of mine (No pun inteb=nded :oops: ), jglad you are enjoying your bike.
Regards
Dave.
:oops:

paul64

Dave, thanks for your post. Forums are funny places, lets all have a laugh at something a mate of mine wrote on forums. Although it was about coffee there some parodies in there http://coffeetime.wikidot.com/the-problem-with-forums-part1

if you want to read part 2 the link is at the top of that page

Anonymous

paul64 wrote:

Dave, thanks for your post. Forums are funny places, lets all have a laugh at something a mate of mine wrote on forums. Although it was about coffee there some parodies in there http://coffeetime.wikidot.com/the-problem-with-forums-part1

if you want to read part 2 the link is at the top of that page

OMG it is spot on. Even worse I recognise myself and others.

Suitably humbled.