Cumbrian Shootings

d4mi4nr

My heart goes out to all those who have lost loved ones and to those who have passed away. I'm sure most of the people on the forum would agree with me.

Cleat Eastwood

It's truly incomprehensible. If they'd died in a road accident at least theres some logic for the families to hold onto, but random killings....a woman walking on a bridge....a man cutting his hedges on his farm.....people doing what people do.

There was a chilling account on CNN that wasnt broadcast on the other news channels from a man who narrowly escaped with his life only after his friend called to the gunman and diverted his attention....only to see the gunman shoot his friend.

There was a idiotic response from a shooting assciation member who's main argument was not to ban guns as it would see the end any future olympic games in this country. Theres no need for anyone to have weapons in this country ever.

Thankfully this whole tragedy happened at half term, I dread to think what would have happened if mums had been on the school run or he'd made his way to the playgrounds.

My sister had taken her kids out for the day and as soon as it was on the news that the nutter was loose and heading south we let her know, he husband loves walking round cumbria and they'd planned a trip there. Thankfully they didnt go.

But yes deepest sympathies to all.

Never have the words there but for the grace.....seemed more true.

simonc2806

the wife and i was up in the area 2 years ago on holiday its such a close knit community its a terrible tragedy it really makes you think how fragile life is. thank god he didn't make it to ambleside it would of been a lot worse my thoughts go out to the familys of the victims and those who are in hospital i wish them a speedy recovery.

disgruntledgoat

Just a horrible, strange day. One of our friends was the first policeman on the scene and had a gun pointed at him for a minute or so, another had her boss shot dead.

I went out on my bike in the morning, left the phone at home and was, thus, oblivious until I got home and found about 25 missed calls and texts... wehad the policemans wife round in the afternoon as her and my other half went to the zoo, we just couldn't wrap our heads round it.

And some terrible news-vulturing too. Sky News worst offenders, as per.

saymush

my thoughts are with those affected today, a hoorible thing to happen.


Cleat Eastwood. You are wrong though when you say there are never reasons to own a gun in this country. There are hundreds of legitamte reasons to own and use one. One nutter on a rampage doesnt change that and knee jerk reactions should be avoided.

rapid_uphill

Im all for knee jerk reactions.

MadammeMarie

simonc2806 wrote:

the wife and i was up in the area 2 years ago on holiday its such a close knit community its a terrible tragedy it really makes you think how fragile life is. thank god he didn't make it to ambleside it would have been a lot worse my thoughts go out to the familys of the victims and those who are in hospital i wish them a speedy recovery.

I was in Cumbria in 2006, on a Sustrans bike ride. We stopped at Whiteheaven, a place so beautiful (like the whole of Cumbria!) it's hard to believe that something like this could happen in such a place, such lovely people.

My heart goes out to the victim's families, and also, to Derrick Bird's familly. I can't even imagine what they must be going through.

Mental health: big, big issue!

drewfromrisca

I was just leaving the area after a short camping trip when this happened. We saw the Police vehicles racing around but had no idea what the hell was going on until friends sent us text messages asking if we were ok as we were driving by Shap. We stuck the radio on and heard what was going on. Unbeliveable.

jellybellywmb

My mum was born and bred in Egremont i couldnt beleive it when i heard it on the news and was quickly ringing relatives who still live there, they say the whole place is just stunned by events

Frank the tank

My condolence to the family and friends of all those concerned truely horrific.

What pi55es me of is had he not had the decency to top himself there would have (at much expence) been a trial.

Why?

I know we have no death penalty but ffs I don't care if the bloke was mad/bad/both just lock him away for life. Like I said had he not topped himself.

bullittt

I think questions have to be asked as to why the Police refused to enter any areas were the gunman was.

I understand unarmed officers can't do much but even armed Police the tactic if someone is on the rampage is not to tackle the offender it's actualy to let him shoot anyone and everyone the person likes while the Police cordon the area.

Effectively if you are in a village and a madman goes on the rampage with a gun you are stuffed. As Police will not enter the village but only cordon it off.

In previous shootings the Police have refused access to emergency services when people have been shot and neighbours have come out saying the gunman has shot himself as in hungerford. Effectively allowing people to die because no one would make a decision to go in. (even though neighbours said the gunman was dead and people were injured)

The Police get away with this incompetence because it doesn't happen often and people fee naturaly

deptfordmarmoset

bullittt wrote:

I think questions have to be asked as to why the Police refused to enter any areas were the gunman was.

I understand unarmed officers can't do much but even armed Police the tactic if someone is on the rampage is not to tackle the offender it's actualy to let him shoot anyone and everyone the person likes while the Police cordon the area.

Effectively if you are in a village and a madman goes on the rampage with a gun you are stuffed. As Police will not enter the village but only cordon it off.

In previous shootings the Police have refused access to emergency services when people have been shot and neighbours have come out saying the gunman has shot himself as in hungerford. Effectively allowing people to die because no one would make a decision to go in. (even though neighbours said the gunman was dead and people were injured)

The Police get away with this incompetence because it doesn't happen often and people fee naturaly

Tasteful! Register with the name ''bullittt'' after a mass shooting. Did you get banned yesterday?

disgruntledgoat

bullittt wrote:

I think questions have to be asked as to why the Police refused to enter any areas were the gunman was.

I understand unarmed officers can't do much but even armed Police the tactic if someone is on the rampage is not to tackle the offender it's actualy to let him shoot anyone and everyone the person likes while the Police cordon the area.

Effectively if you are in a village and a madman goes on the rampage with a gun you are stuffed. As Police will not enter the village but only cordon it off.

In previous shootings the Police have refused access to emergency services when people have been shot and neighbours have come out saying the gunman has shot himself as in hungerford. Effectively allowing people to die because no one would make a decision to go in. (even though neighbours said the gunman was dead and people were injured)

The Police get away with this incompetence because it doesn't happen often and people fee naturaly

Simply put, Copeland (where I'm posting this from) doesn't have enough police to do so. They will have about 15 on duty at any one time to cover Whitehaven all the way down to Millom (about 35 miles). 6 were on duty in Whitehaven when he shot the Taxi drivers two attended immediately in a car, the desk sergents from the station round the corner ran around the block to offer assistance. The rest were out on Police business elsewhere. He did not drive on the main roads to get to seascale, he drove on the maze of lanes between St. Bees and Bekermet, there is one road in and one road out of Seascale, and, by all accounts, he wasn't hanging around.

Getting a helicopter up from Lancashire takes time, as does mobilising one of the county's 2 armed response units from Workington or Barrow.

ratsbeyfus

deptfordmarmoset wrote:

bullittt wrote:

I think questions have to be asked as to why the Police refused to enter any areas were the gunman was.

I understand unarmed officers can't do much but even armed Police the tactic if someone is on the rampage is not to tackle the offender it's actualy to let him shoot anyone and everyone the person likes while the Police cordon the area.

Effectively if you are in a village and a madman goes on the rampage with a gun you are stuffed. As Police will not enter the village but only cordon it off.

In previous shootings the Police have refused access to emergency services when people have been shot and neighbours have come out saying the gunman has shot himself as in hungerford. Effectively allowing people to die because no one would make a decision to go in. (even though neighbours said the gunman was dead and people were injured)

The Police get away with this incompetence because it doesn't happen often and people fee naturaly

Tasteful! Register with the name ''bullittt'' after a mass shooting. Did you get banned yesterday?

Hmmmm.... I wonder who 'Bullitt' could possibly be? Perhaps it's shorthand for bullsh!t.

westerburk

ratsbeyfus wrote:

deptfordmarmoset wrote:

bullittt wrote:

I think questions have to be asked as to why the Police refused to enter any areas were the gunman was.

I understand unarmed officers can't do much but even armed Police the tactic if someone is on the rampage is not to tackle the offender it's actualy to let him shoot anyone and everyone the person likes while the Police cordon the area.

Effectively if you are in a village and a madman goes on the rampage with a gun you are stuffed. As Police will not enter the village but only cordon it off.

In previous shootings the Police have refused access to emergency services when people have been shot and neighbours have come out saying the gunman has shot himself as in hungerford. Effectively allowing people to die because no one would make a decision to go in. (even though neighbours said the gunman was dead and people were injured)

The Police get away with this incompetence because it doesn't happen often and people fee naturaly

Tasteful! Register with the name ''bullittt'' after a mass shooting. Did you get banned yesterday?

Hmmmm.... I wonder who 'Bullitt' could possibly be? Perhaps it's shorthand for bullsh!t.

Well who knows but i can tell you who hes not. Hes not mark walker / panther /vino/ saymush /20/20. Please dont bring your personal insults into a thread like this.

Nuff said

ratsbeyfus

westerburk wrote:

ratsbeyfus wrote:

deptfordmarmoset wrote:

bullittt wrote:

I think questions have to be asked as to why the Police refused to enter any areas were the gunman was.

I understand unarmed officers can't do much but even armed Police the tactic if someone is on the rampage is not to tackle the offender it's actualy to let him shoot anyone and everyone the person likes while the Police cordon the area.

Effectively if you are in a village and a madman goes on the rampage with a gun you are stuffed. As Police will not enter the village but only cordon it off.

In previous shootings the Police have refused access to emergency services when people have been shot and neighbours have come out saying the gunman has shot himself as in hungerford. Effectively allowing people to die because no one would make a decision to go in. (even though neighbours said the gunman was dead and people were injured)

The Police get away with this incompetence because it doesn't happen often and people fee naturaly

Tasteful! Register with the name ''bullittt'' after a mass shooting. Did you get banned yesterday?

Hmmmm.... I wonder who 'Bullitt' could possibly be? Perhaps it's shorthand for bullsh!t.

Well who knows but i can tell you who hes not. Hes not mark walker / panther /vino/ saymush /20/20. Please dont bring your personal insults into a thread like this.

Nuff said

The delightful Mr Pester-Burk is back! Thought you'd been banned. Please let me know which threads you are lurking in and I'll take my insults there.

ratsbeyfus

BTW - apologies to Bullitt and to others for lowering the tone of this thread. Me and av-it will sort this one out outside!

awallace

bullittt wrote:

I think questions have to be asked as to why the Police refused to enter any areas were the gunman was.

I understand unarmed officers can't do much but even armed Police the tactic if someone is on the rampage is not to tackle the offender it's actualy to let him shoot anyone and everyone the person likes while the Police cordon the area.

Effectively if you are in a village and a madman goes on the rampage with a gun you are stuffed. As Police will not enter the village but only cordon it off.

In previous shootings the Police have refused access to emergency services when people have been shot and neighbours have come out saying the gunman has shot himself as in hungerford. Effectively allowing people to die because no one would make a decision to go in. (even though neighbours said the gunman was dead and people were injured)

The Police get away with this incompetence because it doesn't happen often and people fee naturaly

Surprise! the police are to blame again. Disgruntledgoat seems to have some knowledge so i know who i am going to listen to given the logical explanation. For the record, ambulance service will not attend without police attendance for their safety. I have never heard of the police stopping ambulance crews attending any scene apart from when i have heard the cats aunties nephews mate talking about it and what does that say??

ademort

My heart goes out to all those victims there families and of course eyewitnesses who will never forget that Day for the rest of there lives. A special mention must also go to the emergency services who must have had a lot to deal with in such a short time. I sincerely hope that all those people who are still in hospital make a full recovery. There is only one word to describe this TRAGEDY
Ademort:

Sirius631

My condolences go to the family and friends of those killed and injured, and also to those who live in the area whose lives will never be the same again.

I'm not one to support knee-jerk reactions, but it strikes me that the gun licensing laws need to be looked at again. The gunman had legally held the weapons legally for some time, but things change, like a person's financial status and mental state. I would suggest that gun licenses be subject to tougher background checks and regular interviews to reassess the holder's stability. Perhaps someone who holds firearms could enlighten us as to how it actually is right now.

MadammeMarie

awallace wrote:

Surprise! the police are to blame again. Disgruntledgoat seems to have some knowledge so i know who i am going to listen to given the logical explanation. For the record, ambulance service will not attend without police attendance for their safety. I have never heard of the police stopping ambulance crews attending any scene apart from when i have heard the cats aunties nephews mate talking about it and what does that say??

I heard this am on the radio that people where "asking questions" as to why the cops didn't stop the rampage! Oh well, swtich the TV off, will you? This is not CSI and Whiteheaven is not NYC, Miami or - thank God - Las Vegas!

Guyzie

We drove through Egremont at 1100 and then on through Gosforth before arriving at Muncaster around 1130.

At Egremont I saw a police women frantically waving down an ambulance.
Thought it was a heart attack or something.

Once at Muncaster we were kept in the castle courtyard for 2 hours whilst we could hear police cars, ambulances and police helicopters racing around outside.

It was only later in the day that we discovered what had happened and just realising that we may have been only minutes behind this guy on the road. Very scary.

Our thoughts are with all those families and friends who have suffered through this selfish act.