Road Bike with Panniers/Mudguards

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  • TommyEss
    TommyEss Posts: 1,855
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  • elcani
    elcani Posts: 280
    Are you in the UK?
  • biondino
    biondino Posts: 5,990
    Aidy wrote:
    I'd sooner have panniers than a carbon framed bike.

    I bet you'd rather have a nice cup of tea than a night with half a dozen Miss World finalists, too :)
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  • Mike400
    Mike400 Posts: 226
    dancook wrote:
    Thanks, though I was looking at a £1000-£1500 spend and a carbon frame - not that I'll claim to know much bout bikes. (sorry I deleted this from the first post, when I edited it)

    I will take a look at your selection, thanks

    Ahh lol no probs.

    If you are loading a carbon framed bike with panniers / racks it kinda defeats the purpose IMO - the overall weight saving will become negligible once its loaded up.

    Then theres the strength aspect - unless its been designed to take panniers its not a good idea. And even if it has been designed to take them I bet the loading limit is quite restrictive, i.e. light loads only.

    You want the holy grail of cycling, that is a bike that does everything. Something in Ti would probably be strong enough and light enough, and a bit special compared to the norm.

    If it were my £1500 I would spend £500 on a reasonable commuter / hack and £1000 on a dedicated road bike, but that might not be exactly what you need!
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  • Aidy
    Aidy Posts: 2,015
    biondino wrote:
    Aidy wrote:
    I'd sooner have panniers than a carbon framed bike.

    I bet you'd rather have a nice cup of tea than a night with half a dozen Miss World finalists, too :)

    Everyone knows Titanium trumps Carbon Fibre.
  • Aidy
    Aidy Posts: 2,015
    biondino wrote:
    Aidy wrote:
    I'd sooner have panniers than a carbon framed bike.

    I bet you'd rather have a nice cup of tea than a night with half a dozen Miss World finalists, too :)

    And I'd rather a long hard ride lasting days than a short fast over-too-quickly one.
  • elcani
    elcani Posts: 280
    edited May 2010
    £800 for Planet X Ti Sportive Frame

    http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/FRP ... tive-frame

    £400 for Shimano 105 Groupset
    http://www.merlincycles.co.uk/campagnol ... black.html

    £100 for Planet X Model B (or C if you need something a bit stronger) wheels

    http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/WPP ... b-wheelset

    http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/WPP ... c-wheelset

    That leaves you £300 of your budget for a suitable carbon fork, headset, seatpost, saddle, handlebars, bar tape etc. Should be doable if you scout around for bargains.

    Of course, you need to know how to build it.

    Another frame consideration might be one of these:

    http://www.habcycles.com/cross.html

    They have the necessary seat stay mounting points for a pannier rack (which the Ti Sportive does not) but I've no idea of the quality of the frame.

    There may well be other Ti frames for similar money that are also suitable.

    It's fun spending other people's money!
  • dancook
    dancook Posts: 279
    ElCani wrote:
    Are you in the UK?

    Yes I am.
    Mike400 wrote:
    Ahh lol no probs.

    If you are loading a carbon framed bike with panniers / racks it kinda defeats the purpose IMO - the overall weight saving will become negligible once its loaded up.

    At the weekend I won't be using a pannier, and during the week I keep my backpack light anyway.

    Buying two bikes isn't the way to win my missus over, she wouldn't let me have a £1000 road bike, if I could settle on a £500 commuter :)
  • dancook
    dancook Posts: 279
    ElCani wrote:
    It's fun spending other people's money!

    The frame does look nice!

    You sure do know how to spend someone's money.... :twisted:
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    Just a thought: depending on how much you're planning to carry, would a large saddle bag work?

    Or something seat-post-mounted - like a beam rack? I have no idea if you can put an alu seatpost into a CF frame, but if you could that may well be a solution...
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  • UndercoverElephant
    UndercoverElephant Posts: 5,796
    edited May 2010
    The steel Condor Fratello frame is only 400g heavier than the titanium Condor Gran Fondo. That's not really that much. It's like changing a single marathon plus tyre to a rubino pro. :D

    Oh, and it's £1200 cheaper!
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  • dancook
    dancook Posts: 279
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    Just a thought: depending on how much you're planning to carry, would a large saddle bag work?

    Or something seat-post-mounted - like a beam rack? I have no idea if you can put an alu seatpost into a CF frame, but if you could that may well be a solution...

    I'll look into those..

    Maybe if I take a rucksack on monday, I can carry all my food in and get away with a saddle bag for the rest of the week.
    UndercoverElephant wrote:
    The steel Condor Fratello frame is only 400g heavier than the titanium Condor Gran Fondo. That's not really that much. It's like changing a single marathon plus tyre to a rubino pro. :D

    Oh, and it's £1200 cheaper!

    and it is a nice looking bike :)
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    dancook wrote:
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    Just a thought: depending on how much you're planning to carry, would a large saddle bag work?

    Or something seat-post-mounted - like a beam rack? I have no idea if you can put an alu seatpost into a CF frame, but if you could that may well be a solution...

    I'll look into those..

    Maybe if I take a rucksack on monday, I can carry all my food in and get away with a saddle bag for the rest of the week.

    They really make them very big... this one's 24 litres...
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  • iPete
    iPete Posts: 6,076
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    dancook wrote:
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    Just a thought: depending on how much you're planning to carry, would a large saddle bag work?

    Or something seat-post-mounted - like a beam rack? I have no idea if you can put an alu seatpost into a CF frame, but if you could that may well be a solution...

    I'll look into those..

    Maybe if I take a rucksack on monday, I can carry all my food in and get away with a saddle bag for the rest of the week.

    They really make them very big... this one's 24 litres...

    This! 24 litres is plenty for ferrying clothes and food to work personally. Now check out some Focus bikes http://www.wiggle.co.uk/m/cycle/7/Focus/ :twisted:
  • elcani
    elcani Posts: 280
    The Ti Sportive frames are indeed very nice. Double butted titanium tubes (which I believe are pretty much unheard of at this price) and hand built in the State's by legendary Ti builders Lynskey (already linked to above). However, I think Planet X are about to move (or have already moved) to a Far East frame builder because they've had to end their links with Lynskey. Apparently this is due to Lynskey importers in the UK getting p*ssed off that PX were able to sell what are effectively Lynskey frames for so little. There was a thread about it somewhere on this forum, which PX contributed to. If you look at the PX site you'll see that there are 'new logo' Sportive frames available which may be the new Far Eastern frames.

    A review of the Sportive can be found here:

    http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/p ... lash-14545

    I don't want to come across as the typical 'what I've got is best' forum poster, but in this instance I'm finding it a bit difficult!
  • dancook
    dancook Posts: 279
    iPete wrote:
    This! 24 litres is plenty for ferrying clothes and food to work personally. Now check out some Focus bikes http://www.wiggle.co.uk/m/cycle/7/Focus/ :twisted:

    thanks, the mention of focus bikes has placed my feet back firmly on the ground in the land of reason :)

    current bike being the focus black forest expert 2009, and i was interested in the cayo...
  • dancook
    dancook Posts: 279
    ElCani wrote:
    A review of the Sportive can be found here:

    http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/p ... lash-14545

    I don't want to come across as the typical 'what I've got is best' forum poster, but in this instance I'm finding it a bit difficult!

    Well you make a convincing argument, I'll see how i feel when the time comes - i don't have any experience building bikes.

    I can't get my current bike in for a service, because I don't want to stop commuting on it for it to go in. So I might start looking a the workshop guide to do it myself, maybe I'll learn something!
  • elcani
    elcani Posts: 280
    If you were to buy a fork and headset from PX, I'm sure they'd fit it for you (fitting a headset and crown race is tricky without specialist tools). You could then easily build the rest of the bike with something like this...

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/LifeL ... 360031531/

    ...and service it and any other bikes you have for ever more. It's easy and if you ever get stuck, there's loads of people on here to help!

    I'd strongly recommend learning to do your own maintenance whatever bike you get/have already got. A toolkit like that will then pay for itself very quickly (don't forget to tell that to the Mrs).
  • laughingboy
    laughingboy Posts: 248
    edited May 2010
    I wouldn't discount a good steel frame. On the other hand there are titanium alternatives to the Planet X. For instance, have a look at the Sabbath September.

    http://www.sabbathbicycles.co.uk/
  • stuaff
    stuaff Posts: 1,736
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    I have no idea if you can put an alu seatpost into a CF frame, but if you could that may well be a solution...

    Of course....if (and if is the operative word at the mo) I get the Viner back for Pedal to Paris in September, my luggage will be going in a Carradice SQR Slim, mounted on my alu seatpost. If not, it'll be on the n+1.
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  • jimmypippa
    jimmypippa Posts: 1,712
    TommyEss wrote:
    If you want a bike to fulfil a number of roles, then yuo are going to have to make compromises.

    One of those is going to be frame weight in place of the strength and geometry to handle loaded panniers.

    Flatly - I lightweight carbon fibre road bike with a shorter wheelbase and faster handling is not going to ride very nicely if you do manage to fit it up to the gills with racks and panniers.

    If you got a steel framed touring bike, you'd be able to take racks, panniers and mudguards with no stress whatsoever, and if you took them off, you'd still have a bike you can take out and enjoy - probably not race on it - but weekend rides in the hills will be no trouble.

    That was my reasoning. And the fact that 90% of my cycling is commuting. Panniers are a lot less sweaty and uncomfortable than rucsacs.
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