Gazzetta rates the Giro faves

iainf72
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edited May 2010 in Pro race
Post Wooden Shoes Land (sorry Rick)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-di ... n-rest-day

Broadly right. Although I still maintain Cadel was punished yesterday for a crash, rather than lack of team
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.

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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,549
    They've got the knives out for Cunego haven't they?
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    I like the quote on Vino

    A lot of people think he'll struggle on the steep climbs in the final week, but the Alps is the terrain of wild wolves as they store reserves for the winter.

    Damn straight he's been storing up his reserves for winter. Might pop a bag in tomorrow.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • greeny12
    greeny12 Posts: 759
    Nice to see my PTP GC pick Scarponi getting a good write-up. He looks like he's really going for it (was all-out in the first TT) - I can't ask for more than that.
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  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Evans:
    "He fought like a lion on the good day to Utrecht and on the bad day to Middelburg. Yet when the race became hard, he was suddenly on his own. The doubts about the BMC team are increasing and nobody has ever won the Giro without a team."

    I was going to say Savoldelli did just that... but then I remembered he did have a team, it just wasn't necessarily the one printed on the front of his jersey.
  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,123
    A bit harsh on Sastre also. But a low profile suits his style.

    Romantised Vino, wonder if he will be a hit with the tifosi?
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Personally, I'd still put Evans as favourite and Sastre as 2nd favourite. The time they lost in the Netherlands isn't that big of a deal, and Sastre could well gain time on Scarponi, Evans and Garzelli tomorrow.

    What's the deal with Porte being included? I know Riis pulled that trick with Schleck the Younger a few years ago, but does anyone really expect Porte not to be hours down by the end of the race?
  • Bakunin
    Bakunin Posts: 868
    Everyone better watch Nibs.
  • Av it
    Av it Posts: 105
    Timoid. wrote:
    I like the quote on Vino

    A lot of people think he'll struggle on the steep climbs in the final week, but the Alps is the terrain of wild wolves as they store reserves for the winter.

    Damn straight he's been storing up his reserves for winter. Might pop a bag in tomorrow.


    And what makes you think Wiggins isnt prepared too? if not now for the tour?

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  • bring_back_jan
    bring_back_jan Posts: 235
    if there's a man used to riding grand tours on his todd then surely it's cadel..?
    Basso is looking decent and Vino will be a hard man to ride off your wheel, though Pozzovivo done it in that dope friendly italian stage race.
    still think Cadel is fav, followed by Basso.
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  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    afx237vi wrote:
    Evans:
    "He fought like a lion on the good day to Utrecht and on the bad day to Middelburg. Yet when the race became hard, he was suddenly on his own. The doubts about the BMC team are increasing and nobody has ever won the Giro without a team."

    I was going to say Savoldelli did just that... but then I remembered he did have a team, it just wasn't necessarily the one printed on the front of his jersey.


    Roche won with his team going against him
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  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    afx237vi wrote:
    Evans:
    "He fought like a lion on the good day to Utrecht and on the bad day to Middelburg. Yet when the race became hard, he was suddenly on his own. The doubts about the BMC team are increasing and nobody has ever won the Giro without a team."

    I was going to say Savoldelli did just that... but then I remembered he did have a team, it just wasn't necessarily the one printed on the front of his jersey.

    A bit like Gibo's team-mate in 2005, Danilo DiLuca...
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    DaveyL wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    Evans:
    "He fought like a lion on the good day to Utrecht and on the bad day to Middelburg. Yet when the race became hard, he was suddenly on his own. The doubts about the BMC team are increasing and nobody has ever won the Giro without a team."

    I was going to say Savoldelli did just that... but then I remembered he did have a team, it just wasn't necessarily the one printed on the front of his jersey.

    A bit like Gibo's team-mate in 2005, Danilo DiLuca...

    Nice spin.
    Di Luca was trying to get onto something they call the podium, I seem to remember.
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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    DaveyL wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    Evans:
    "He fought like a lion on the good day to Utrecht and on the bad day to Middelburg. Yet when the race became hard, he was suddenly on his own. The doubts about the BMC team are increasing and nobody has ever won the Giro without a team."

    I was going to say Savoldelli did just that... but then I remembered he did have a team, it just wasn't necessarily the one printed on the front of his jersey.

    A bit like Gibo's team-mate in 2005, Danilo DiLuca...

    Nice spin.
    Di Luca was trying to get onto something they call the podium, I seem to remember.
    Van Huffel and Ardila became Disco's mountain train. It was called gravy, Davy. :P

    This was one of the puzzling things for me on the last stage... The Giro is rife with deals like that so why didn't Cuddles cut one with a couple of the Rabo boys or somebody else in the group he was mullering himself to pull back up?
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  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    andyp wrote:
    They've got the knives out for Cunego haven't they?
    Based on what I’ve seen in the Italian press, the Italians are disappointed with the bad start by Cunego (and also by Pozzovivo) in case it reflects a continuation of the (relatively) poor overall Italian performance from last year. And they consider Cunego to have had an unheard series of (possibly self-induced) minor mishaps so far.
    In reference to Cunego, one newspaper refers a character in an Italian 70s cult comedy film, Ugo Fantozzi. In the cult film, most everything Signor Fantozzi tries to do goes wrong, e.g. to speed up his journey to work one day, he decides to jump from his balcony on to the passing bus rather than spend time going down the stairs then along the road to the bus stop. Not only does he injure himself but his impact on the bus makes other passengers fall off the bus and the bus then goes nowhere.

    However, the Italian press take some Schadenfreude in the fact Wiggins and Sastre haven’t fared much better than Cunego.
    At the moment they don’t seem to have much trust in Basso’s ability to pull overall victory off and want to delay judgement on him until the third week, so they are hoping old-timers Garzelli and Scarpone can keep up a challenge for a podium place if not victory. They think Nibali’s 'day' will be in the future, but they hope he might still spring a surprise this year, or at least take the pink jersey today in the time trial, judging Millar as his main rival for this, but hoping the slight uphill of the whole route may be disadvantageous to Millar and Garmin.
  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    andyp wrote:
    They've got the knives out for Cunego haven't they?

    I'm sure I read an interview where he said he would be prepared to lose a big chunk of time so that he's not a GC threat and would be allowed into breaks to win stages, which was his goal these days.
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    DaveyL wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    Evans:
    "He fought like a lion on the good day to Utrecht and on the bad day to Middelburg. Yet when the race became hard, he was suddenly on his own. The doubts about the BMC team are increasing and nobody has ever won the Giro without a team."

    I was going to say Savoldelli did just that... but then I remembered he did have a team, it just wasn't necessarily the one printed on the front of his jersey.

    A bit like Gibo's team-mate in 2005, Danilo DiLuca...

    Nice spin.
    Di Luca was trying to get onto something they call the podium, I seem to remember.
    Van Huffel and Ardila became Disco's mountain train. It was called gravy, Davy. :P

    Unfortunately I still have the video of that stage and the Finestre climb so can still watch it and see what happened. DiLuca was trying to get onto the podium? He didn't appear to be doing much to try to depose the 3rd placed Rujano.... Whatever their respective motivations, Di Luca towed his team-mate almost all the way up the climb. Savoldelli was on his own on the front a fair bit. I guess you could also say van Huffel was looking for a top 10 GC finish, eh?

    Still, Savo appears to have been ex-communciated from the Tifosi-boi club after his deal with the devil, so why not have a pop at him for buying help. It's never been done before or since, has it?
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  • Bronzie
    Bronzie Posts: 4,927
    afx237vi wrote:
    What's the deal with Porte being included? I know Riis pulled that trick with Schleck the Younger a few years ago, but does anyone really expect Porte not to be hours down by the end of the race?
    Hmmm.......still early days to be fair......we'll see how he fares in the very tough 3rd week
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  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Bronzie wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    What's the deal with Porte being included? I know Riis pulled that trick with Schleck the Younger a few years ago, but does anyone really expect Porte not to be hours down by the end of the race?
    Hmmm.......still early days to be fair......we'll see how he fares in the very tough 3rd week

    I might be eating my words with that one :shock: 8)
  • TheStone
    TheStone Posts: 2,291
    Approx odds from betfair.

    Cadel Evans - 4.7
    Carlos Sastre - 4.8
    David Arroyo - 7
    Xavier Tondo - 8.5
    Alexandre Vinokourov - 15
    Ivan Basso - 18
    Richie Porte - 21
    Vincenzo Nibali - 24
    Bradley Wiggins - 24
    Robert Kiserlovski - 26
    Michele Scarponi - 70
    Stefano Garzelli - 80
    Damiano Cunego - 95
    Alexander Efimkin - 260
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  • FJS
    FJS Posts: 4,820
    TheStone wrote:
    Approx odds from betfair.

    Cadel Evans - 4.7
    Carlos Sastre - 4.8
    David Arroyo - 7
    Xavier Tondo - 8.5
    Alexandre Vinokourov - 15
    Ivan Basso - 18
    Richie Porte - 21
    Vincenzo Nibali - 24
    Bradley Wiggins - 24
    Robert Kiserlovski - 26
    Michele Scarponi - 70
    Stefano Garzelli - 80
    Damiano Cunego - 95
    Alexander Efimkin - 260

    The current GC siuation is extremely complicated, but still, some amazing odds there.

    I'd say with those odds Tondo, Vino and Nibali are very good bets at this stage.
    And why ever that difference between the odds on Evans and Vino??
  • Campervan27
    Campervan27 Posts: 137
    top 3 odds are probably more realistic to look at even though I haven't ...yet).I would have a 20 spot on Cunego at that price and would also be tempted by wiggo at 15-1. Even efimkin at 260 -1 is worth an outside £2.
    However, I put my stupid welsh dosh on that Aussie ponce at 3-1.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Campervan27 wrote:
    However, I put my stupid welsh dosh on that Aussie ponce at 3-1.

    Well, he does have a Welsh name.
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