new zipp 404 full carbon clincher now available

moonshine

for those wanting a full carbon clincher, zipp have now released a version of the 404

http://www.zipp.com/about/story.php?ID=338
review here http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/zipps-404-carbon-clincher-first-look-26060

i guess it will still be at a greater risk of a trashing if you get a flat, compared with a tub...

and they are not cheap either...and not that light.....1557g for the clincher, vs 1278g for the tub version

Team Banana Spokesman

fcuk me! 25% heavier?

whats the point? just get tubs! never seen the point in deep clinchers really.......

moonshine

well... 22% anyway... I guess it is responding to the market demand. i.e people wanting the benefit, but not the percieved hassle with tubs... maybe vanity over performance?

It took me a bit to get over the inertia to move to tubs on my carbon wheels, but so far, so good and i'm glad i made the move.

BigG67

What's the benefit/negative issues of the carbon wall being part of the rim; where the spokes adjoing the wall like these and a fairing type wheel (al la Mavic - http://s.wiggle.co.uk/images/mavic%20co ... %20pre.jpg ) where they go all the way through to the edge of the wheel.

Sorry if this is highjacking the thread but it seems relevant.

moonshine

the mavics, together with the majority of carbon clinchers, use a bonded aluminium braking surface, rather than a full carbon rim. Zipp also had a 404 with this style of construction.

previously Zipp said they couldn't make a safe full carbon clincher rim which could cope with the combined forces of heat generated by braking, which in turn heated the air in the tyre, exerting an outward pressure on the bead ofthe clincher tyre, and the cornering lateral forces

see previous threads...

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12693379&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20
http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12690150&highlight=

bompington

moonshine wrote:

maybe vanity over performance?

Perish the thought, surely cyclists would never cough up all that money just for that?

moonshine

one of my cub mates called cycling a "boutique sport" and i thought this was a great analogy....it doesnt matter how crap you are, as long as you look good.

on the flip side, we were out 2 weels ago and Graeme Obree was out on a sunday ride with Fullarton Wheelers...riding an old Specialised Allez shed or something similar, with a beat up 10 yr old white pisspot helmet and an old yellow waterproof jacket. It was brilliant. proof it is not the bike - He would still have ripped the legs off anyone there. Much respect!

markos1963

1557g for carbon clinchers at nearly £1800!!!! Blimey, makes my Gigantex wheels from Wheelsmith look even more brilliant, sub 1500g and only £425.

marin_maniac

£1800?

Turkish and bath spring to mind

markos1963

Marin Maniac wrote:

£1800?

Turkish and bath spring to mind

Well the link said $2700 RRP