Need a quote from the Miners Strike

shockedsoshocked

Not wanting to get into politics here, but I remember reading a quote somewhere that went along the lines of:

"A state of a nation is not determined by its economic output" or something along those lines. Read it years ago and haven't been able to find it since.

Any help?

SteveR_100Milers

Bound to be some lefty bollocks....

thejesusandsedischain

scab scab scab

BikingBernie

ShockedSoShocked wrote:

Not wanting to get into politics here, but I remember reading a quote somewhere that went along the lines of: "A state of a nation is not determined by its economic output" or something along those lines.

I don't know of such a quote that relates directly to the miner's strike, but rather than been 'lefty bollocks' such a statement is perfectly true if your measurement of the 'state of the nation' is based on such things as personal happiness, health, low crime rates, social cohesion and so forth. Generally speaking, those countries with the lowest crime levels, the highest levels of personal happiness and so forth are those with a strong 'lefty' or egalitarian ethos, such as Denmark and Sweden. The most 'broken' societies are those which are strongly right-wing, inequitable and 'individualistic' such as the USA and UK...

Here is an article about this very topic.

The Spirit Level: Why More Equal Societies Almost Always Do Better
by Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/ ... 859108.ece

Also, a World Health Organisation report looking at the link between social inequality and mental health.

http://www.euro.who.int/document/e92227.pdf

bagpusscp

I am off to Sweden then.
A rose of utopia.

Mixed saunas :twisted: ,high taxes, :shock: and a population about the size off London.

The wage prarity beggers a go in this country.Now lets vote on it. :?

pedylan

The miner's strike context isn't one I'm familiar with. But Robert Kennedy famously referred to economic output as measuring everything except what is important. Excerpt below and link here

http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Re ... Kansas.htm



Too much and for too long, we seemed to have surrendered personal excellence and community values in the mere accumulation of material things. Our Gross National Product, now, is over $800 billion dollars a year, but that Gross National Product - if we judge the United States of America by that - that Gross National Product counts air pollution and cigarette advertising, and ambulances to clear our highways of carnage. It counts special locks for our doors and the jails for the people who break them. It counts the destruction of the redwood and the loss of our natural wonder in chaotic sprawl. It counts napalm and counts nuclear warheads and armored cars for the police to fight the riots in our cities. It counts Whitman's rifle and Speck's knife, and the television programs which glorify violence in order to sell toys to our children. Yet the gross national product does not allow for the health of our children, the quality of their education or the joy of their play. It does not include the beauty of our poetry or the strength of our marriages, the intelligence of our public debate or the integrity of our public officials. It measures neither our wit nor our courage, neither our wisdom nor our learning, neither our compassion nor our devotion to our country, it measures everything in short, except that which makes life worthwhile. And it can tell us everything about America except why we are proud that we are Americans.

Whether it''s lefty bollocks or not I'll leave to others but America would seem a strange source of lefty bollocks.

SteveR_100Milers

sorry was being facetious earlier... :oops:

Frank the tank

thejesusandsedischain wrote:

scab scab scab

Beat me to it.

Never been down a mine or crossed a picket line in my life but even to this day following Hucknall town FC (formally Hucknall colliery welfare FC) we STILL get called scabs. For the reason I've just stated I find this most offensive on a personal level, but, I can understand how some of these people feel. They had their livelyhoods taken away from them and it caused massive upheaval in a lot of families and communities. Notts miners are viewed (rightly/wrongly) as being "Maggies men" (just for Aggieboy that ) and those wounds run deep. I know if I'd been on strike for a year and suffered such hardship I'd feel bitter towards people I viewed as "scabs".

SteveR_100Milers

Frank the tank wrote:

thejesusandsedischain wrote:

scab scab scab

Beat me to it.

Never been down a mine or crossed a picket line in my life but even to this day following Hucknall town FC (formally Hucknall colliery welfare FC) we STILL get called scabs. For the reason I've just stated I find this most offensive on a personal level, but, I can understand how some of these people feel. They had their livelyhoods taken away from them and it caused massive upheaval in a lot of families and communities. Notts miners are viewed (rightly/wrongly) as being "Maggies men" (just for Aggieboy that ) and those wounds run deep. I know if I'd been on strike for a year and suffered such hardship I'd feel bitter towards people I viewed as "scabs".

This is the main reason why the south wales valleys are all still red and unlikely to change soon.

Aggieboy

Frank the tank wrote:

thejesusandsedischain wrote:

scab scab scab

Beat me to it.

Never been down a mine or crossed a picket line in my life but even to this day following Hucknall town FC (formally Hucknall colliery welfare FC) we STILL get called scabs. For the reason I've just stated I find this most offensive on a personal level, but, I can understand how some of these people feel. They had their livelyhoods taken away from them and it caused massive upheaval in a lot of families and communities. Notts miners are viewed (rightly/wrongly) as being "Maggies men" (just for Aggieboy that ) and those wounds run deep. I know if I'd been on strike for a year and suffered such hardship I'd feel bitter towards people I viewed as "scabs".

I've been checking in since 9.15am for your reply.

Frank the tank

Aggieboy wrote:

Frank the tank wrote:

thejesusandsedischain wrote:

scab scab scab

Beat me to it.

Never been down a mine or crossed a picket line in my life but even to this day following Hucknall town FC (formally Hucknall colliery welfare FC) we STILL get called scabs. For the reason I've just stated I find this most offensive on a personal level, but, I can understand how some of these people feel. They had their livelyhoods taken away from them and it caused massive upheaval in a lot of families and communities. Notts miners are viewed (rightly/wrongly) as being "Maggies men" (just for Aggieboy that ) and those wounds run deep. I know if I'd been on strike for a year and suffered such hardship I'd feel bitter towards people I viewed as "scabs".

I've been checking in since 9.15am for your reply.

You would think that with me being a "@rse man" Ooooeer! I'd be a fan of Maggie's.

rick_chasey

Go to the library.

Find a few books on it, and read 'em.

Job done.