next months upgrade - wheels/tyres...

M1llh0use
M1llh0use Posts: 863
edited May 2010 in MTB buying advice
planning a merlin built pair stepping into the UST arena!!

XT 6bolt hubs, ACI Black S/S DB spokes and XM819 UST Black Disc rims.

to be paired with:

Nobby nic 2.4 UST

opinions/critisisms accepted :lol: or changes to the build (overall budget = £300)
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  • The Big Cheese
    The Big Cheese Posts: 8,650
    XT on 719/819 is a good choice. Some people dont like the cup and cone setup, but doesnt bother me as long as you service them periodically.

    Tyres are a great allrounder too..

    Me vote for you!!!

    EDIT... 2.4 though!?
  • M1llh0use
    M1llh0use Posts: 863
    yeah 2.4

    mate has got the non ust varity on his inbred and it rides soooooooooo nicely!! 8) :lol:
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  • M1llh0use
    M1llh0use Posts: 863
    so how difficult are cup and cone to maintain then?
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  • The Big Cheese
    The Big Cheese Posts: 8,650
    I ran them on a few bikes and always found them to be awesome.

    Now I run Nevegals (also good) and Racing Ralphs (on the racebike)

    ANyway, good choice(s)
  • The Big Cheese
    The Big Cheese Posts: 8,650
    M1llh0use wrote:
    so how difficult are cup and cone to maintain then?

    Not very, visit parks or shimano webby for how toos... also youtube.

    Should take no more than 15 mins!
  • M1llh0use
    M1llh0use Posts: 863
    any other opinions?
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  • peter413
    peter413 Posts: 4,909
    For that budget I would be looking at some Hope hoops with Stans rims.

    Would leave about 50 quid for tyres (which I would recomand something like Maxxis Minions)
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  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    Yup, if you can find 'em that makes a lot of sense, I didn't want a Hope rear hub but I couldn't argue with the price of the Hope Hoops. Flows > 819s.
    Uncompromising extremist
  • M1llh0use
    M1llh0use Posts: 863
    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=40780

    these?
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  • peter413
    peter413 Posts: 4,909
    M1llh0use wrote:
    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=40780

    these?

    Yep, thats them

    Look on google though since you can find them cheaper
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  • The Big Cheese
    The Big Cheese Posts: 8,650
    peter413 wrote:
    For that budget I would be looking at some Hope hoops with Stans rims.

    Would leave about 50 quid for tyres (which I would recomand something like Maxxis Minions)

    Why? There is absolutely nothing wrong with the XT/Mavic set up. At all.

    It's only because people moan about "ooohhh but it's cup and cone"... so what? WIth regular (and yes it's easy) maintenance they are just as good as Hope hubs, just are not as adaptable i.e., different rear axles etc.
  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    No, there's nothing wrong with it. It's just not as good a buy as the Hope Hoops, which give you a lighter build and huge adaptability.

    I like cup and cone myself, and I don't like the horrible Hope freehub noise, I seriously looked at a Hope front and XT rear but it was financially stupid tbh.

    20mm XT on 819 with comps is £220 from Merlin, I paid £270 for my Hopes with better and more expensive rims (Flows) and the tubeless kit worth £20, plus spare spokes and nipples and both the QR and 20mm adaptors, couldn't argue with that. And I can fit them to any fork I'm likely to own which isn't an option with XT, which makes a huge different to me.
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  • M1llh0use
    M1llh0use Posts: 863
    so main points are:

    1) xt hubs ok so long as you keep the cup/cone adjusted well OR hope hubs if you're lazy

    2) stans flow rims > xm819


    so as long as i don' t mind adjusting the hubs XT with flows would be better?

    do i still need the sealant with the UST setup?
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  • ride_whenever
    ride_whenever Posts: 13,279
    technically no, but you'd be mad not to run sealant.
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  • toasty
    toasty Posts: 2,598
    The Big Cheese wrote:
    peter413 wrote:
    For that budget I would be looking at some Hope hoops with Stans rims.

    Would leave about 50 quid for tyres (which I would recomand something like Maxxis Minions)

    Why? There is absolutely nothing wrong with the XT/Mavic set up. At all.

    It's only because people moan about "ooohhh but it's cup and cone"... so what? WIth regular (and yes it's easy) maintenance they are just as good as Hope hubs, just are not as adaptable i.e., different rear axles etc.

    Good, they're working for you, I've personally gone through 2 sets of XT rear hubs. Both died in different ways, on 1 the sealed freehub body locked up. The other was interesting, the movement of the wheel managed to juuust get enough friction on the cone and tighten it using the bikes momentum, this literally squished the bearings into bits, writing off the cones etc.

    Both swapped for Hopes, both have been working absolutely fine for over a year now without needing touching. Cup and cone is fine, I'm just not 100% sold on M775 rear hubs, especially those on the factory wheelsets curiously. I've still got a couple of bikes running on Deore cup and cone, and one on LX, all running perfectly.

    I know there's counter aguments for the Hopes, cheese freehub body, chance of cracking etc. Each to their own :)
    2) stans flow rims > xm819

    Oh yeah and +1 for this! My Flows have been fantastic, huge, light and very sturdy. Wish I'd got 2 sets with these instead of the Stans 355s to be honest.
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  • The Big Cheese
    The Big Cheese Posts: 8,650
    Don't get me wrong fellas, I love Hope hubs, don't particularly like the noise that they make and yes the freehub is made of cheese. BUT they are lightish, very adaptable and come in all sort of flavours.... a good buy and in some cases make more sense.

    In a few weeks, I shall be looking at getting a new heavy duty wheelset, and am not even sure myself what I am going for.
  • The Northern Monkey
    The Northern Monkey Posts: 19,136
    never had any problems with any shimano hubs.
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  • M1llh0use
    M1llh0use Posts: 863
    okay - doing a bit more thinking.... :roll:


    what hubs can you get that are straight pull? looked all the way through the CRC hubs section and couldn't see one!

    any ideas or do i have to buy a factory wheelset to get straight pull??
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  • peter413
    peter413 Posts: 4,909
    Hope Pro 3 are straight pull I am sure
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  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    There's a Pro 2 SP I think as well.

    Why do you want straight pull? It's a pain in the balls. Terrible parts availability, and harder to work with .
    Uncompromising extremist
  • M1llh0use
    M1llh0use Posts: 863
    Northwind wrote:
    There's a Pro 2 SP I think as well.

    Why do you want straight pull? It's a pain in the balls. Terrible parts availability, and harder to work with .

    i prefer the look!

    besides, if it breaks or needs adjustment it'll be off to the shop. i can sort everything else but wheels is black magic!!

    BUT if parts are tricky to come by then standard is what it'll have to be...
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  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    My experience was with Roval Traversees in Fort William... Bust a spoke and not one shop in the town or at nevis range had a single straight pull spoke, so I ended up spending the rest of the weekend one spoke down hoping my wheel didn't explode :lol: Course, you can buy spares in advance and often complete wheels will come with spares but it's generally more hassle.
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  • peter413
    peter413 Posts: 4,909
    And if the shops around the World Cup don't have spares, there will be a lot of others who don't as well.

    I would just stick to double butted spokes personally but its your wheels...
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  • neninja
    neninja Posts: 424
    Stans rims are the best option as you can then run the non-UST Nobby Nics which are much lighter with just Stans yellow tape and sealant.

    I run that on the front and it's been faultless
  • peter413
    peter413 Posts: 4,909
    neninja wrote:
    Stans rims are the best option as you can then run the non-UST Nobby Nics which are much lighter with just Stans yellow tape and sealant.

    I run that on the front and it's been faultless

    If I got those do you think it would work fine with SP Maxxis Minions 2.35?

    Don't wanna have to get the 2.5 DH version to be able to run them tubeless but would like to be able to go tubeless with my next wheels
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  • largephil
    largephil Posts: 358
    Arn't the Mavic 819 rims also tubeless? And also a bit lighter and stronger? Granted you cant run tyres much wider than 2.35 but if you dont want to run huge tyres I thought the 819 rim was a good option? :wink:
  • peter413
    peter413 Posts: 4,909
    largephil wrote:
    Arn't the Mavic 819 rims also tubeless? And also a bit lighter and stronger? Granted you cant run tyres much wider than 2.35 but if you dont want to run huge tyres I thought the 819 rim was a good option? :wink:

    Pretty sure the Stans are slightly lighter and they are very strong :wink:
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  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    The 819 claimed weights don't include the ferrule things that they need to fit the nipples, ready to build the rim comes in just over 500g, cheeky Mavic. Flow is about 470g, needs the yellow tape or a rim tape as well though which weighs about, um, nothing.

    Both great rims tbh but I'm glad I went with Stans. Flow is apparently a good bit stronger than an 819 and rated for up to a 2.7 tyre compared to the 819's 2.3... Also gives a wee bit more volume out of the same tyre because of the lower rim.

    The 819 competitor is actually the Arch not the Flow, same width and I'm told comparable strength and only 420g. But hardly anyone uses Arches, we all get drawn like moths to the indestructible Flow even though we don't need anything like that much strength ;)
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