Best Titanium Frame on the market.??
Karl2010
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What would everyone say is the best Ti frame on the market today?
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Baum CorrettoOpen One+ BMC TE29 Seven 622SL On One Scandal Cervelo RS0
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MOOTS vamoots0
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The top end are all pretty much of a muchness.
If I was choosing without a budget in mind I'd look at a Baum, Serotta or Independant Fabrication.
That said, I have a good Ti frame and it's great, so would't bother spending more.0 -
what's so special about Baum?
i had never heard of them until i moved to the UK - from Aus!
but to stick with the thread - i'll say enigma - only because i just bought one.regards,
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The Paduano Giuda;
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Lynskey Helix, Litespeed Archon or Moots vamoots RSL?
Although Enigma have just come out with a 6AL 4V Ti frame, the Excel. It's relatively conservative looking, but 6AL 4V is pretty unusual (because it's harder to work with) and supposedly offers a better stiffness to weight ratio.0 -
If i had the money i wouldnt hesitate in the Helix... looks an absolute beaut.
Not having riden a tit road bike im going purely on looks and reputation.0 -
Well I have an Enigma and its a lovely bike but just falls short of my best Ti bike that never seems to get a mention on here - my Merlin which I think in terms of quality could give all the above a run for their money, then again I'm obviously biased
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I like my Sabbath but its nowhere near the best I would imagine, to buy a top quality Ti frame I bet you need to spend a fortune!x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
Commuting / Winter rides - Jamis Renegade Expert
Pootling / Offroad - All-City Macho Man Disc
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redddraggon wrote:Lynksy Helix
^this, however i'd have to add, in the mirror finish... I've held one and it is just a thing of unimaginable beauty...0 -
Enigma's website offers a full custom option - so that implies you can effectively design your own from the ground up if you want something special. Price on application..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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The pics of the Helix don't float my boat. Better in the flesh?Facts are meaningless, you can use facts to prove anything that's remotely true! - Homer0
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I think Titanium is somewhat over rated...
Although the fact that it is element proof is rather splendid!0 -
maddog 2 wrote:The pics of the Helix don't float my boat. Better in the flesh?
Had a look at one in LBS a while back, and while it was certainly a "nice bike", it didn't especially make me drool.
OTOH, I actually turned and followed someone on a Baum one day, just so I could have a closer look and a chat. Even whizzing past on the opposite side of the road it still caught my eye..in the overall proportions and finishing details they just look fabulous...Open One+ BMC TE29 Seven 622SL On One Scandal Cervelo RS0 -
How do Van Nicholas comapre to all the above mentioned?0
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save up and get yourself a Merlin Extralite .I've had mine for 7 years now and it still looks like new .I've just had it fitted out with SRAM red it's 16lbs inc pedals .0
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I have an old Merlin which is excellent, but I do believe the new ones to be built by Litespeed.
Eriksen bikes is the "new Moots". Quite likely that will be the best welding you could ever get by.
And then I just want to mention some other, that I like the look of,
KISH and Dekerf, but I have no idea how they ride.0 -
Lynskey's satin finish get really easy dirty, and isn't that easy to clean. Polished would be better.0
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NapoleonD wrote:I think Titanium is somewhat over rated...
Although the fact that it is element proof is rather splendid!
As an owner of both Ti and Carbon frames, I'd say the differences between the two are vastly exaggerated.
Recently rode up the Col d'Eze on both in a day and the Cervelo was 34 seconds quicker for the same power output. That despite the fact that the Seven weighed in a good 3kg more with a large saddle bag, heavy wheels and 25c tyres. The Seven is more comfortable and will of course last forever. The frame weighs around a pound more than the Cervelo.
The Seven does not feel as quick - of that there is no question. But in reality it is - certainly to within 1 or 2%.
As for the best Ti frames, a custom Seven does take a lot of beating IME.0 -
maddog 2 wrote:The pics of the Helix don't float my boat. Better in the flesh?
The helix in the mirror finish is otherworldly, it seems to have a soul, probably because of the eyes looking out back at you :shock:0 -
Why do you think that is, is it just the acceleration that is a bit less instantaneous? And if so, are you sure it's not down to the heavier wheels and overall weight rather than the Ti frame?The Seven does not feel as quick - of that there is no question. But in reality it is - certainly to within 1 or 2%0 -
Serotta Legend or a Seven are the best I've seen along with Moots and IF. Basically the US sems to be the best at Ti fabrication along with custom steel.M.Rushton0
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neeb wrote:6AL 4V is pretty unusual (because it's harder to work with) and supposedly offers a better stiffness to weight ratio.
The density and Young's modulus of all titanium alloys are within a gnat's of the same, so the resultant stiffness of a frame depends on tube sizes and wall thickness, not on the alloy used.John Stevenson0 -
Does 6AL 4V have other properties that enable tube sizes and wall thicknesses not practical with 3AL 2.5V then, or are they effectively identical for the purposes of making bike frames? Difficult to see why any manufacturer would use a material that is more difficult to work with unless there was some advantage. Or is it just marketing?The density and Young's modulus of all titanium alloys are within a gnat's of the same, so the resultant stiffness of a frame depends on tube sizes and wall thickness, not on the alloy used.0 -
I own a steel Enigma, and have ridden one of their ti frames. If it was me, I'd be back down there in a shot to get something special made up. Personally though, I'd get one of their top stainless bikes every time instead though
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